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Two much eliteness going on here. (See what I did?)

Welcome to another strategy session. While probably not as good as a pizza session, we’re gonna get darn close, because today, of all days, we are going to go over two-quarterback leagues. Because having Tony Romo lead your team to playoff aspirations until November rolls around and he removes the clutch from your car is not enough. Nope. We need to add the potential to both have Tony Romo and Eli Manning on the same fantasy team, which I heard is the 18th sign of the end of the world. Obama was the 16th and 17th sign on the list, if you were wondering. Yes, that’s right, two-quarterback leagues are really-really different, I can’t stress that enough. Which is why you got two really’s. Everything you know about standard and PPR formats gets thrown out the window, as you’ll see the aforementioned Tony Romo be drafted ahead of Dez Bryant in most leagues. That’s a cup of crazy, as they would say. Actually, they wouldn’t say that… I don’t think anyone has ever said that. So let’s get you primed for what is going to be the weirdest draft you’ve ever been a part of. Unless it was a salamanders in your shoes draft. That would probably top this one.

The format itself is generally easy to grasp. As I stated earlier, you have two QB slots (or a full flex, QB/RB/WR/TE, which should be flexed in the QB slot regardless), and so you should probably draft two QB’s. Ya think? How you determine to fill those spots, and more importantly, when, are the key’s to this proverbial car. Unless you want me to start talking about crazy cups again. NEVER AGAIN. There are essentially four approaches you can take here.

– Draft a top-10 quarterback and pair him up with a top-25 quarterback (i.e. Matthew Stafford and Andy Dalton).

– Draft a top-5 quarterback and pair him up with a top-35 quarterback (i.e. Peyton Manning and Matt Schaub).

– Draft a top-15 quarterback and pair him up with another top-15 quarterback (i.e. Philip Rivers and Jay Cutler).

– Draft a top-40 quarterback and pair him up with another top-40 quarterback (Matt Cassel and Geno Smith) and pray for a miracle.

Obviously, the first three options are the most recommended here, so unless you are either a professional scout, a mind-reader, or Terrelle Pryor, the fourth option is really something you should not consider if you’d like to compete in some manner or fashion.

So we’re left with three different ways of getting a quarterback. And though it might sound dull, with the state of QB depth this season, I usually aim for a top-15/top-15 split. As you are reading this, there is a two-quarterback league that I am part of with industry leaders across the fantasy spectrum (including Liz Loza, Scott Engel, Adam Ronis, Jennifer Millman, and Rachel Wold). I would recommend looking at that draft as how a league with this format might approach the draft.

Based on my projections, and to hammer the point even more of how important it is to get your QB’s early, here’s how I see the top-50 fantasy point leaders shaping up (1.0-PPR):

Jamaal Charles RB KC 350.30
Aaron Rodgers QB GB 340.38
Drew Brees QB NO 335.64
Adrian Peterson RB MIN 335.00
Peyton Manning QB DEN 332.48
Andrew Luck QB IND 330.12
Matt Forte RB CHI 329.70
Cam Newton QB CAR 323.04
Calvin Johnson WR DET 318.60
Tom Brady QB NE 302.31
Matt Ryan QB ATL 301.48
Jimmy Graham TE NO 296.60
Matthew Stafford QB DET 295.84
Robert Griffin III QB WAS 294.24
Philip Rivers QB SD 294.22
Demaryius Thomas WR DEN 294.20
Julio Jones WR ATL 287.20
Tony Romo QB DAL 286.92
Dez Bryant WR DAL 285.30
LeSean McCoy RB PHI 283.40
Brandon Marshall WR CHI 281.50
Eddie Lacy RB GB 280.50
Nick Foles QB PHI 278.82
DeMarco Murray RB DAL 275.70
Antonio Brown WR PIT 275.00
Jay Cutler QB CHI 273.95
Alshon Jeffery WR CHI 266.00
Colin Kaepernick QB SF 265.10
Russell Wilson QB SEA 263.14
Eli Manning QB NYG 262.10
Randall Cobb WR GB 259.10
Victor Cruz WR NYG 258.60
Ben Roethlisberger QB PIT 258.14
Ryan Tannehill QB MIA 256.04
Le’Veon Bell RB PIT 252.70
Jordy Nelson WR GB 252.10
Pierre Garcon WR WAS 249.80
Kendall Wright WR TEN 249.60
A.J. Green WR CIN 246.90
Keenan Allen WR SD 244.60
Zac Stacy RB STL 243.50
Ryan Mathews RB SD 242.70
Doug Martin RB TB 240.50
Andre Ellington RB ARI 239.40
Jake Locker QB TEN 236.10
Greg Olsen TE CAR 233.10
Andre Johnson WR HOU 232.30
Joe Flacco QB BAL 231.26
Michael Floyd WR ARI 231.20

Just something to remember in these leagues: I have Michael Vick projected for just 272 attempts, 160 completions (58.75%), 1,874 yards, and 11 touchdowns, 4 interceptions, along with 56 rushing attempts, 299 yards, and two touchdowns. That would produce 146.46 fantasy points. I have Andre Johnson with 87 receptions, 1,099 yards, and 6 touchdowns, which in standard leagues, is good for 145.30 fantasy points. WUT. I know bro. I know. Draft accordingly.

  1. Hometown Hero says:
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    I asked Seth this but want your take.I’m in a 12 team standard scoring 2 qb league $200 salary 3 player keeper league and I’m not sure who to keep. Keepers will go up 10% next year. I will be keeping Eddie Lacy at $26, probably Stacy at $6 and a few others to choose from for my third, Stafford $43, Ruben Randle $1, Josh Gordon $5, D Thomas $29, A Smith $9 and Locker $2. Who should be my 3? Thanks in advance

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      I like Thomas being your third there.

  2. Schwab Stumped says:
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    Love the site and the all the content you guys put out there! I don’t have a 2qb league question, but have one for a standard 14tm league. I need to keep 3 from the below with a $200 cap. Leaning Charles, Patterson, and Marshall, but wondering about Cobb?

    J Charles: $55
    B Marshall: $40
    R Cobb: $37
    C Patterson: $7

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Schwab Stumped: Yeah, I agree with you. Not a lot of value here, but you essentially have two number one’s and a potential breakout WR2 here.

  3. G says:
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    Due to my leagues crappy keeper rules I’m wondering if any of my players are worth keeping, so would appreciate your thoughts. It’s a half point ppr. Thanks in advance

    Vereen (round 4)
    Foles (round 8)
    Cruz (round 3)

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @G: I just don’t see much value here. Maybe Vereen… but I think you could grab all these guys back at lower rounds.

  4. J-MoneyIV says:
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    In your first round of rankings, you had Jordan Reed in your 2nd tier of WR in both standard and PPR. In this rankings update, you have him 9 and 10 respectively and in the 3rd tier.
    What led you making this change? (.5 PPR)
    Worried about concussions? Other guys you just trust more?

    Also, in a 16 team league where I cannot get Jimmy Graham (he is being kept), what would be your advice on grabbing a tight end?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @J-MoneyIV: Yeah, these new rankings also took into account my projections. I like Reed, but I think he’s getting a bit overrated at the moment, and it’s a combination of liking guys ahead of him a bit more, and the concussion issues certainly weigh heavily here.

      Love Olsen this year. Love Gates. Love Dwayne Allen. I think you can wait on these guys if you don’t land Graham.

  5. Bob says:
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    Thanks. This helps in my 2 QB league that I haven’t won yet.

    I also have a small 8 man dynasty league that we started about 15 years ago. I have had my moments but I am in somewhat of a rebuilding mode. I have the 3rd pick (1st rd) and 11th pick (2nd rd) in the rookie draft. I am debating on whether I take a RB or WR with that 1st pick and then take the opposite position in the 2nd round. Watkins is going #1 for sure and I would think either Hyde or Sankey goes #2 bc that owner needs a RB. We start 2 RBs and 3 WRs with no flex. My concern is that my RBs are weak but I also don’t want to pass on the elite WRs in this class. Here is my squad…what would your strategy be?

    QB – Cam, Kap
    RB – L. Bell, R. Matthews, S.Jax, Rice, Moreno
    WR – Calvin, Crabtree, C. Patterson, Mi. Floyd, Boldin, Jennings, Hunter
    TE – Witten, Olson

    • Bob says:
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      @Bob: Should probably tell you the scoring. Half PPR. 6 pts for TD regardless of position. 1 pt for 10 yards recieving or rushing.

      • Jay

        Jay says:
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        @Bob: I’m fine going WR. Mike Evans comes to mind.

  6. TJ says:
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    Jay,

    Thank you for this post. I’m in a 2 “Everything” League (2QB, 2RB, 2WR, 2TE, 2Flex, and yes…2 K and 2DEF). It’s a 10-team, .5 PPR, 6 pts/TD passing, 4 bonus pts for 400 and 5 for 500 yd passing games, same for 100 and 150 rush yd, and 5 pts for 200 yd rec. But the real thing that sticks out in this league is how many points the DEF will get you b/c of all the extra categories set (block kicks, 3-and-outs, 4th down stops, return yards AND TDs). Now, I’m not saying I need to take a DEF with a top 5 rd pick, but just trying to paint the best picture possible (there were only 5 QBs that finished with more points than the top 3 DEF last year in this league)

    So, with all that said, I have the 3rd overall pick….with these lame settings in mind, do I still take Charles or AP if they fall to me? I’m almost positive that Manning and Brees/Rodgers will go 1 and 2. And what is your thoughts about how high to take a DEF, or is it still the same regardless?

    Thanks

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      Hmm, that is an interesting setup. Yeah, Charles is one of the few guys that can produce as much as top tier QB’s, so I’d go with him. But you’ll have to go QB/QB on that next turn. As for the DEF, I would still try and find value there. Teams like the Rams and Chargers are DST’s I’m targeting if I’m forced to.

      • TJ says:
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        @Jay: I’m just going to assume by “interesting” you mean “terrible”. Lol

        Thanks for the advice

        • Jay

          Jay says:
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          @TJ: Yeah, not sure I’d play in that format, and it is unique. That’s how I’ll put it. No prob!

  7. Cole says:
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    In a 12 tm, ppr, with 6 point passing tds would you move up quaterbacks in your rankings? Or would their value relative to each other keep them about in the same spot? By this I mean, you’re not passing on Dez for Rodgers because the difference between Dez and Harvin is greater then the difference between Rodgers and Ryan or Luck.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      Been getting this question a lot, when projections come out, I might throw out how things would look if QB’s had 6 points on TD’s. Off the top of my head, it’s probably a 8 to 10% increase in production across the board. So that would move up most QB’s, err, maybe 5-10 spots in certain cases? This has got me interested… let me run the numbers at some point and I’ll do a post on it soon.

      • Cole says:
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        @Jay: Thanks, very cool of you!

  8. Joey says:
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    Question: 12 Team League Keeper Question…1 Qb League .25 Per Completion and PPR League…We only are allowed 1 Keeper do I keep Peyton Manning (3rd Round Draft Pick Loss) or Alshon Jeffery (10th Round Draft Pick Loss)…If I dont keep Peyton Manning Which QB would you then Target

    • Joey says:
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      @Joey: P.S. Its a 6point TD League for Passing

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      I would actually keep Jeffery here. The QB depth is great this year, so even if you wait till the last minute, you’ll get a pretty good starter.

  9. KHen says:
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    In a 10 team 2 QB league, if somehow the big 3 QBs were there at the end of the first round and you had the 9th or 10th pick in a snake draft. Would you think about drafting QB, QB?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      Totally, in a heartbeat.

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Jay: taking big time advantage of those 8 or 9 ignorant owners that think they have time to wait. plus just think of the trade value of having 2 top 3 QB’s in a league like that. wait till one owner gets a major QB injury, you’ll get a lot.

        • Jay

          Jay says:
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          Agreed. People sometimes don’t realize this in 2 QB leagues, and it completely benefits you here.

  10. Chris says:
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    I’m joining a 10 team keeper league and will be taking over one of three vacant teams. Here are my keeper options. This is a H2H PPR league.

    Team 1 – Julio Jones, LeSean McCoy, Romo
    Team 2 – Jamaal Charles, Alshon Jeffery, Newton
    Team 3 – Jimmy Graham, Adrian Peterson, Brady

    All are pretty good options! I was leaning towards team 1 or 2.

    Thanks!

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      Yeah, those are all pretty darn good options. Personally, I love team 2, but team 3 might be the best one on paper.

  11. powerade says:
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    Are you guys going to do rankings like last year with more information and predictions on the players? Top players at each position and top 10/20 overall? etc etc

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      We’ll be focusing on certain players this month, yeah, but a little bit different format this season.

      • powerade says:
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        @Jay:

        Cool Cool, thanks for the reply.

  12. OneI'dWilly says:
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    So been doing football a long time, but never an auction. I inherited a team that was apparently stars and scrub last year, and my keeper situation is pushing me that way this year, but in baseball auctions, I never overpay for a guy. What would you do here?

    12 team auction $200 budget keep up to 4 guys.
    1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1WR/RB, 1TE, 1DEF, 1K, 7BN
    A Peterson $48
    Julio Jones $33
    Calvin Johnson $57
    Torrey Smith $21
    R Wilson $12
    Hartline $6
    Marvin Jones $5
    Justin Hunter $5
    Ahmad Bradshaw $17
    49ers Def $14

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @OneI’dWilly: For football, it’s all about value, not so much the amount. From what you’ve told me, I would keep AP, Julio, Hartline, and a coin flip of Jones and Hunter. These guys would go for higher this season, and that savings means everything.

      • OneI'dWilly says:
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        @Jay: Cool. Thanks. I’m looking to move a guy or two to get Giovanni Benard at $10. He could take the place of Hartline and I probably go Marvin over Justin, but like them both this year.

        • Jay

          Jay says:
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          @OneI’dWilly: I’m not a huge Gio guy, but at that price, I like it.

  13. steve says:
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    Im trying to select 4 keepers in a PPR, 1QB, 1FullFlex, 3RB, 4Receiver, 15 team league (210 players selected); $200 cap. I already have Cobb $15, DezBryant $29. I need two of these four: Kaepenick $23, Gordon $10, Maclin $6 and BenTate $18. who would you keep?

  14. Clint says:
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    Does where you draft in a serpentine draft matter at all, Jay? Last year, I drafted 10th out of 10 and waited until Round 6 for Ryan and 7 for Cutler. Obviously, it worked out pretty well until late in the season when they underperformed (Ryan) or got hurt (Cutler) and I still made it to the big game drafting Charles #10 overall and Megatron 11th.

    I guess my point is that when you’re drafting at the back end of the 1st round, you’re kind of forced to wait on QB as you fill other spots, or so it feels like to me each year I’ve done it, 2 QB league or not.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      It does affect the way a person drafts, certainly, as you may have to reach for guys if you are near the turn, or counter react what you see trending.

      Waiting for the QB this season, especially in a 10-teamer, won’t be a big deal, there’s just so much depth out there.

  15. Somebody says:
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    Sorry Jay I usually love your work but this article is extremely lazy. Putting a chart up of the top scorers to show they score more points doesn’t give any info on how to approach a 2 qb draft. Neither does comparing Vick to AJ. It’s apples and oranges. Value is measured within positions by how much more they will score above their respected replacement levels. This strategy article doesn’t of into any of that or discuss what position is deeper or which position has more quality players late. You might as well have wrote 2 qb strategy: draft them early. The end. If I go qb-qb with say Bree’s and Cutler how much will that put me behind in the rb position? Sadly this article doesn’t Address common 2qb questions at all

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      Well, that’s the point, right? In a 2 QB league, there are no replacement levels for quarterback. And that’s explained in the post. It doesn’t matter if the QB position is deep, a majority of them will be rostered. And it won’t put you behind at all, as if you look at the projected point totals for both those QB’s, no two RB’s can come close to that. Not any kind of combo can. Again, the post explains that.

      Do you have a specific question?

  16. Andre Vaughn says:
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    Hello…need an opinion….I’m in a 2 QB league (PPR, 6 pts for all TD)…I have the 4th pick in a 10 team league….I pretty much KNOW what the 1st three picks are going to be (Manning, Brees Rodgers)….Should I go with Stafford 4th…or should I go against the grain and take Charles and hope I get 2 good QB later (like Ryan and Cutler for instance)….thx

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