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Well, that was an interesting game, said no one ever. To be honest, I’m not sure what I was expecting from a game featuring two teams that originate from the state that created Skyline Chili, but I suppose this would be a fair enough assessment of where they stand in all things. Whatever that means. For all intents and purposes, the game ended with a little over four minutes expired in the first quarter as Ben Tate rushed for a touchdown on a Browns possession that resulted from an early Andy Dalton interception. The two teams kept playing for the next two hours, though I have no idea why. Probably just to troll us. Thanks Ohio! In other news, the Browns have a winning record in November. Wait, what?

 

Browns – 24, Bengals – 3

Brian Hoyer – 15/23, 198 YDS and 4 CAR, 1 YDS. Hoyer’s tour of the NFL hasn’t really been the best of all things. It’s kind of like the equivalent of leaving home to see the country, the wonders, the majesty, staking your own claim at life… and then at the age of 25, moving back in with your parents.

Ben Tate – 10 CAR, 34 YDS, 1 TD and 2 REC, 27 YDS. I’m going to go out on a limb here. I know this may be a controversial opinion, but I don’t think Ben Tate is good at football. Granted, I’m not a huge Isaiah Crowell (12 CAR, 41 YDS, 1 TD) guy, but I think it’s pretty clear that at the very least, it’s a tandem between Terrance West (26 CAR, 94 YDS, 1 TD) and Tate… and the carries will go to whoever has the hot hand.

Travis Benjamin – 3 REC, 46 YDS. Is it just me, or do you see a little Salsa Cruz in this guy?

Andy Dalton – 10/33, 86 YDS, 3 INT and 3 CAR, 8 YDS. We switched Andy Dalton with a drunk Geno Smith… lets see if anyone notices.

Jeremy Hill – 12 CAR, 55 YDS and 1 REC, 6 YDS. Okay, so let me get this straight. One fumble (in which a players helmet actually hit the ball and arm, making Hill’s fault for said fumble “murky” at best) and that’s it, bench time… as opposed to Andy Dalton’s continual stream of f*ck ups… Look, yeah, I get why you don’t bench a quarterback. But sending out your fifth string running back in a close game as a lesson just screams stupidity. Marvin Lewis ladies and gentlemen…

A.J. Green – 3 REC, 23 YDS. Did you draft A.J. Green? Poor bastards…

  1. Zandy says:
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    Andy’s Dumpster Fire Crotch – solid team name? That was unwatchable

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Zandy: I feel like Ginger should be in there somewhere.

  2. Nick says:
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    Well I guess I can consider last nights atrocious game a victory…opponent had Jeremy Hill in at RB2 & I had Sanu at WR2 or 3 (depending what you call Beckham)…so the fact that both did terrible works in my favor since Hill was projected a whole lot higher…

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Nick: Yeah, just a terrible game. Consider yourself lucky and unlucky at the same time.

  3. ashtray says:
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    Nothing like starting the week off with 2 points from your “stud” WR. AJ Green had 20 points in week 1 and 34 points in the next 9 weeks. Shoot me now.

    • Zandy says:
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      @jay+: buy low on AJ green?

      • Jay

        Jay says:
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        @Zandy: Yeah, it’s not the worst idea, but I’m not sure if we should expect gaudy totals here.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @ashtray: Yup, not the best year, to be sure. I still like Green, but at this point, he’s iffy as a WR1 until Dalton shows us something.

  4. Boston Mike says:
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    Julius Thomas for Julio Jones and Ertz?

    I have Gates so Ertz is a throw in for the bye week.

    Thanks Jay

    • Boston Mike says:
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      I could also swap Julius for B-Marsh too

  5. Scott says:
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    So Bernard owners looking pretty safe…

    • ED says:
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      @Scott: Hill did nothing horrible last night – fumble was fluky and the geniuses coaching staff pulls him for a quarter in a game they need to win?

      • Jay

        Jay says:
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        @ED: Yup, pretty dumb. I feel sorry for the Bengals fans that have had to put up with that for almost a decade.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Scott: Yeah, I’d think so, depending on his health. I think Hill is a talent, but I think Marvin Lewis and Hue Jackson have no idea on how to use it.

      • goodfold2 says:
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        @Jay: hill was just fine last week, as was ginger bastard as a bye week fill in.

        • Jay

          Jay says:
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          @goodfold2: Right, I’m just talking about the macro view.

        • Scott says:
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          @goodfold2: What changed? They faced a legit D this week.

            • goodfold2 says:
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              @goodfold2: oh yeah, JAX was who CIN played previous week (9). It has been extremely common to see at least 1 team’s offense utterly horrible on each and every Thursday night game.

  6. Clint says:
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    Jeremy Hill is starting to look a little Billy Volek-ish to me for this year. Gotta stop looking at matchups and start believing in the power of my studs.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Clint: Yeah, I can be stubborn with my studs… sometimes too stubborn. Balance is always key.

  7. Gio says:
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    Half PPR, 5-4 will be 5-5 after this week. AJ Green didnt. Still have dez, l. bell (foster this week) on bye. Would you make either of these moves?

    -Dez for Cobb
    -l. bell for white and lacy.

    Thoughts on both, I give up best players but gain players with out bye weeks. As I mentioned, I am toast this week and not looking good next week either. If I go 5-6 Im done.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Gio: Hold on Dez, but the Lacy deal is okay if you need a WR2.

  8. Zandy says:
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    what are you selling mckinnon for? when do you think AP comes back? does ap come back? would welcome your views

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Zandy: I’m not. I have no idea what to think on AP, so I’ll let it develop, but I’m not rushing anything yet. I wouldn’t be surprised if AP doesn’t play at all this season.

  9. Knibb High Football says:
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    Jay – 10 man PPR league. I have Demaryius Thomas and Dez. I also have Edleman/Andre Johnson/Beckham and Josh Gordon. Drafted well and made a few trades. Straight up are two of the latter worth offering to the Calvin Johnson owner who needs to win now? I’m 7-2. Thanks

  10. CL says:
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    The only reason I’m not fuming about Hill is that it looks like he was about 50% drafted in DFS.

    And seriously, Hill wasn’t going to protect that ball when someone launches his helmet into his arm over a pile of guys.

    • Jay

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      @CL: Right, it was a fluke drop, and while you’d like to see both arms on the ball, when it’s helmet to the arm, you can hardly blame the runner. Just piss-poor reactionary bullshit from the coaching staff.

      • Balmy Tundrastein says:
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        @Jay: ah, gotta go back to the good old days to find the good reactionary b.s. (overheard in KKK bar). not me saying that.

  11. Kobayashi Maru says:
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    10 team ppr – would you rather have Rashad Jennings or Ronnie Hillman ROS? I have locked up a playoff spot already, so the possibility of another week or two out from Jennings is no biggie.

  12. Wilsonian says:
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    Question:

    So I’m up against a guy with Sanu, Green, and Dalton. I am missing a team DEF. My only drop is Charles Sims. Do I get cocky and not drop anyone since he got all of 8 points out of those three guys? Or do I stay the course and drop Sims for Dallas? This is how the lineups stack up right now:

    Me:

    QB: Ryan
    WR: Jones
    WR: Smith, Sr.
    WR: Wallace
    RB: Forte
    RB: Denard
    TE: Graham
    W/R: M.Bryant
    Q/W/R/T: Palmer
    K: Hauschka
    DEF: Empty

    Him:

    QB: Stafford
    WR: A.Brown
    WR: Sanu
    WR: G.Tate
    RB: Bush
    RB: Forsett
    TE: V.Davis
    W/R: Green
    Q/W/R/T: Dalton
    K: Parkey
    DEF: Miami

    0.5 PPR – 3 pt bonus at 250 yards pass/85 yards rec/100 yards rush – 6 pt bonus at 335 yards pass/135 yards rec/150 yards rush

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        @Jay: so you think you’d roll the dice and not pick up a defense? I’m really thinking pretty hard about it. I’m projected to be the winner by 50 points as it is now. I know that doesn’t mean anything, though. But he got basically zero points out of 2 WRs and a QB. I just know I’ll be PISSED if I lose by 3 points or something like that because I didn’t play a defense. I am in first by 2 games, FYI, if that matters at all. I’m the only team who’s at 8-1.

        • Nick says:
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          @Wilsonian: seems like you have the week locked down..granted nothing is a given…what is your bench like? You mention Sims but who else do you have? There might be someone else who is expendable so you can just ensure a victory with Dallas D

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            @Nick: here’s the bench:

            Brady
            LaFell
            Edelman
            Hilton
            Bradshaw
            Vereen

            Don’t think anyone is more droppable than Sims. What do you think?

            • Balmy Tundrastein says:
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              @Wilsonian: yr fine, he had one of the worst weeks by QB this year of anybody that’s actually been started. AND ugly WR #1 and #2 weeks, all at the same time, i would guess you should be at least 92% here.

              • Balmy Tundrastein says:
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                @Balmy Tundrastein: i actually feel like i dodged huge bullet since i used Dalton last week as fill in against better overall D, JAX. He did ok in that game.

  13. Allan says:
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    Hey Jay drop any of rueben randle, michael floyd, or pierre garcon for james jones?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Allan: Eh, I’d hold.

  14. LSU TigerFan says:
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    hi Jay! .5 pt ppr – for 1 flex spot: CJ2k , DMC, Shorts, or Landry ?

  15. Beats by Ray says:
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    Sold Jeremy Hill high on Monday along with Dolphins D, got Josh Gordon in return… ooohhhh yeeeaaa!

    So I picked up Reggie Bush off the waiver but now feel like dropping him for Kyle rudolph. Also have Charles Simms. What to do Jay?

    Also better start this week C. Palmer or Stafford

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Beats by Ray: Yeah, the Bush drop there is fine. Stafford.

      • BEATS by Ray says:
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        @Jay: thanks man

  16. Steve Stevenson says:
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    10-tm Dynasty, non-PPR, 6 pt pass TD, looking to deal Cutler and can afford to lose the trade because I’m flush with QBs (Ben R. and M. Ryan). In what order would you ask for these guys, and are there any you wouldn’t take?

    Hyde, Ball, Sankey, Michael

  17. Kobayashi Maru says:
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    So, the trade I was offered was actually Jennings for Rainey + Hillman.

    Does Rainey have real ROS value?

    • Nick says:
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      @Kobayashi Maru: I wouldn’t do it…he is looking to the future when Hillman might be in an RBBC and Rainey potentially loses his job to Sims…leaving R Jennings with all the value there at end of season…

    • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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      @Kobayashi Maru: wasn’t this ok’d when it was just roughshod for hillman alone? as long as you have worse player than rainey (or even if you don’t, in which case just drop rainey)

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Kobayashi Maru: Eh, depends on the context. I think he’s a nice bench piece.

  18. Steve Stevenson says:
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    0.5 PPR, need to drop a bench RB for a bye week TE. I try to keep high ceiling guys on the bench. Who’s the drop out of K. Davis, Sims and Mason?

    FWIW, my normal starters are 2 out of Hillman, Bradshaw and Forsett (though Hill’s been in the last couple weeks), with the 3rd in the Flex mix with Gates.

  19. ryanoger says:
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    Antonio Gates was just recently dropped should I pick him up or hold?

    A Rodgers
    Jordy
    Percy
    DeMarco
    Denards
    Kelce
    Mike Evans

    bench
    Bradshaw, Keenan, Tre Mason, Sims, Montee, and Big Ben

    Parkey and Bills

    Should I drop Big Ben and roster A Gates? AND you think his hot streak has ran its course right?

    • Steve Stevenson says:
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      @ryanoger: I’d drop Ball for Gates. You could certainly get away without Ben as well since you have Rodgers, but I’d hold him. He won’t stay this hot but he doesn’t have a tough matchup until wk 16 vs KC (and even then, theor secondary is beatable if their pass rush doesn’t get you). Maybe shop him?

      • ryanoger says:
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        @Steve Stevenson:

        Yeah I agree on shopping him, I’ve been trying on that front. I like the idea of hanging onto Ben…good idea on Montee. I dropped him not to long ago but for some reason snagged him back up with the news on dropping weight and what not. Still don’t think he becomes a factor.

        • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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          @ryanoger: there’s probably better spec RB in your league than ball in case you don’t grab gates.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @ryanoger: Yeah, you can drop Ben for him. I think he’s okay, but yeah, it’s a streak that won’t continue.

  20. Bryan says:
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    Stafford or Sanchez this week? I’m really leaning Sanchez.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Bryan: It’s a coinflip for me (Sanchez is ranked one ahead), so I think it’s fine.

  21. friar says:
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    How would you rank Green, Julio, and Mathews as a non-ppr flex ROS?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @friar: Julio, Green, Mathews.

  22. chris says:
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    I think its funny how every year a super talented starting runningback (gio bernard) goes down and his backup (jeremy hill) has a huge game in his absence. Fantasy owners over react to the big game and think that the backup is now the starter. Hill looks more like bryce brown to me fellas. Gio is the better back in that offense and its not even close. Did anyone actually see the 60 yard td run by Hill? It was total bullshit. Couple horrible tackle attempts, he never should have reached the endzone. Anyone see Gio vs MIA last year on thursday night football? Remember that long td run he had where he pulled a barry sanders and reversed field, cutting in and out and breaking tackles on the way to the end zone. That type of explosive play making ability is rare in this game. You cant bench a talent like that. Sure Hill looks more effective in between the tackles, I agree. But he is NOT better than Gio. Cant wait until Gio is back next week

    • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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      @chris: to be fair (and i’m not disagreeing with GIO being great at all), most 60 yard or more runs aren’t because a bunch of guys didn’t miss tackles, or assignments, badly.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @chris: I think Hill has talent, but it’s very clear that Gio is still the primary back.

  23. chris says:
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    Talent mostly ALWAYS wins out in the NFL. Unless you have a coach like Chuck Pagano. (Bradshaw and Richardson) you know what im talking about

    • Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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      @chris: spiller?

      • Crapshoot Kershaw says:
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        @Crapshoot Kershaw: Miller, etc. yes there are a LOT of dumb NFL coaches.

  24. chris says:
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    And the bryce brown comaparison is a little much. The fumble wasn’t all his fault. But that big game against Jacksonville had everyone thinking this guy is the next best thing. And Hill hasnt helped his case by bitching after the game. Seriously, did you hear what he said about the browns? Cleveland is feisty and they were the better team last night. Hill looks like a bitch now crying like that. What a fuc*ing baby!

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @chris: Division games always bring a lot of emotion. He was fired up, can’t blame him.

  25. friar says:
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    Do you prefer McCoy or Foster ROS (non-ppr)? Would you trade Mathews and Gray (my RBs #4 and #5) to acquire either guy?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @friar: McCoy. And yes, I would for either.

  26. Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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    having to pick through all of these schlubs for this week only, i know what rankings are.
    -tannehill (bad matchup, good last week, game could be close easily)
    -vick (bad QB, bad team, but probably gets some rush yards, and may have to throw a lot)
    -orton (good stats so far, team might actually have a lead though, and KC’s pass D 11th)
    -carr (on surface this seems great, will have to throw all day, but might have lowest floor with DEN being much better D than i thought, 5th at receiving yards)
    -mccown (extremely good matchup, but he’s also likely quite rusty and was horrible earlier in year, also ATL coming off bye and this is division game, so his floor could be lower than it seems)
    guessing only reason this isn’t carr is the floor? Tannehill is probably best talent but if miller is limited (or maybe even if not, coming off last week, AND DET coming off bye with their D at home) he could have ugly floor too.

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @Jay: somebody had higher waiver after he was dropped than my 12th (after i grabbed all of owen (sunny) D/mason/evans), so tannehill is gone.

  27. Dom B says:
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    I have Aaron Rodgers would you trade big Ben and delaine walker for juluis Thomas

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Dom B: In a heartbeat.

  28. Brian says:
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    Trade Question: I got offered Keenan Allen for Alfred Morris and Denard Robinson in a 1.0 PPR league.

    I have La’veon Bell and Matt Forte already at RB and my current WRs are Demaryus Thomas, Alshon Jeffery, Pierre Garcon, Eric Decker, and Cordorelle Patterson.

    This trade gives me the stud WR3 I am lacking, right?

    The owner offering the trade also has TY Hilton and Josh Gordon. Should I ask for one of them instead, click the accept button, or hold? Thanks!

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Brian: It does, but you should be getting a discount. You shouldn’t have to throw in Robinson.

  29. Duke says:
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    Yo Jay,

    I’ve got a fanduel 50/50 roster narrowed down to these decisions, would you rather roll with Julio Jones / Justin Forsett, or Roddy / McCoy? And then Davante Adams or James Jones at WR3? Thanks!

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Duke: Jones, McCoy, Jones.

  30. Oppo Taco says:
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    Trade Lamar or Ingram for kelvin?
    .5 PPR which should I part with if either

  31. Dom B says:
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    My roster should I trade Kelvin Benjamin and Big Ben for Alshon Jeffrey or is Kelvin better

    QB – Aaron Rodgers – Packers
    RB – LeSean McCoy – Eagles
    RB – Andre Ellington – Cardinals
    WR – T.Y. Hilton – Colts
    WR – Kelvin Benjamin – Panthers
    TE – Larry Donnell – Giants
    PK – Steven Hauschka – Seahawks
    DEF – Baltimore Ravens – Ravens

    Bench:
    QB – Ben Roethlisberger – Steelers
    RB – Fred Jackson – Bills
    RB – Charles Sims – Buccaneers
    WR – Odell Beckham – Giants
    WR – Michael Crabtree – 49ers
    WR – Percy Harvin – Jets
    TE – Delanie Walker – Titans

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Dom B: I’m okay with that trade.

  32. Robert says:
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    Yo J- Better play for tomorrow: Fred Jackson or Charles Sims ?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Robert: Sims… Jackson looks doubtful, but could change tomorrow morning.

  33. David says:
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    jay!

    What are your thoughts about Ronnie Hillman? Is it time to sell high on him ? He’s been gold but EsPN reports that they will turn to a hot a hand approach. …
    I could try to get Ellington for him…
    Thanks!

    • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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      @David: selling high would’ve been earlier done say i.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @David: You can try, but I doubt that happens. I’m find sticking with him. He’s looked way better than Ball.

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