We here at Razzball recognize that not every league is the same.  Some have two kickers.  Some play IDP over team defenses.  Heck some even draft Cheerleading squads I’m sure, but I’m here to talk to you about strategy for two quarterback leagues.  I gave a hint about that in the title for those who can’t read big, bold font.  Now that we have those people on board, let’s get started.

On the one hand, talented quarterbacks are abundant for 2012.  On the other hand, for two quarterback leagues that talent thins out pretty quickly.  On a third hand…there is no third hand unless you’re Vishnu and if you are, I’m curious about how many words per minute you can type.  But I digress, we’re here to talk about what to do when you have the two quarterback league blues.  I feel there are two strategies and I cannot say I fault you for either.  The one strategy is to grab a top tier guy from the draft.  That means one of Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Cam Newton, or Matthew Stafford are on your team by the end of the 2nd round.  If you’re going this route, you are looking for one QB to be your anchor and that means you shouldn’t be touching any quarterbacks until way later in the draft.  This is a team strategy that should net you a quarterback like Joe Flacco or Andy Dalton if you’re risk averse.  Personally, if this is my strategy going into the draft, I’m taking a chance on more of a bounce back candidate like Josh Freeman since you already have steady production from one of your quarterbacks.  Whatever you choose, the key here is to not draft your next guy too high.  Would it be nice to have Rodgers and Tony Romo on your team?  Sure.  Only problem is it will leave you thin at either wide receiver or running back.  Trust me when I say you don’t wanna do that this year.

The secondary option is to go middle solid and would be my personal choice.  It would most likely leave your middle rounds to quarterback picks but that means you have all those early picks to spend on the tougher positions to fill and I call that a good thing for 2012 Fantasy Football.  Here, I’m looking at taking two quarterbacks between the 6th and 10th rounds where you can currently find a guy like Philip Rivers or a Matt Ryan.  You could also land Robert Griffin, III with this option which isn’t all that bad either.  Whatever the choice, you’re looking for reasonable consistency from both QBs and there are plenty of good pairings to be had in this part of the draft .  The key to this strategy is to not spend too much on your QBs but not paint yourself into a corner either.

In the end, your own league and the people you draft with will determine which strategy is the best for you.  If you start seeing 6th or 7th round quarterbacks going in the 3rd and 4th, you’ll have to make adjustments as necessary.  Regardless, you need to come into the draft prepared to play it one way or the other or you could end up with Matt Cassell and Ryan Fitzpatrick.  See what I did there?  I’m trying to scare you straight.  You’re welcome.

  1. yizouse says:
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    I had to laugh, because White Cassel and R-Fitz were exactly who I ended up with last year in my 2QB league, after perhaps waiting a pinch too long. Still, this meant overwhelming strength everywhere else. I say “perhaps”, because I’ll never know how this team truly would have fared, due to an RB plague (JC, Best, Bradshaw) that ultimately sunk me.

    The strategy worked in 2010; I won it all after “landing” Garrard and Cassel on draft day. So I am with you on this. During this pass-friendly era of NFL complete with an enormous crop of mid-tier QBs, ignore the flash of the overpriced elite chuckers and stock up on the true commodities.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Yeah, those injuries are a huge reason why it’s better to play it a little safer at QB when possible. Exactly about your 2nd paragraph.

  2. David_KOA says:
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    @Sky,
    I have never taken part in a two QB league so this strategy, may be way off. A big reason, it might not work is I don’t know how ADP of QB changes? I was pondering out loud about going QB-QB with my first two picks. Here is what I came up with.

    Lets say you come out of round 1-2 with Brees and Vick. You have what seems to be a lock for top five overall(fantasy) in Brees. Throw in a QB that could easily be the number one fantasy player in 2012!

    Now on to round 3-4 and it is time to grab me some WRs. I would love to come away with Julio Jones and Percy Harvin. You have two players that, I view as both top 10 and could bring much(much) more.

    I guess it would be a good time to step into the minefield that is the RB position. How about Shonn Greene and James Starks. As, I stated in one of your earlier post, I think we could be seeing Greene as a low-end RB1. James Starks brings quality RB2 fantasy production.

    Rounds 7-9 and come away with Meachem, J-Stew & Holmes. I don’t see why Meachem can not be a quality WR2(fantasy), J-Stew is in a contract year and less goal-line carries for Cam?

    A 2QB(2RB-3WR-TE) non ppr format. You could have a core team of
    QB- Brees, Vick & Palmer(explain below)
    RB- Greene, Starks & J-Stew
    WR- Jones, Harvin, Meachem & Holmes
    TE- Brent Celek(or I would be good with Cook or Daniels)

    My final note and it has to do with the QB spot. Being that it is a Two QB league, I would think it would be a good idea to grab a third QB. Not only for injurys(Vick) but bye week cover.

    I would be coveting Carson Palmer as my QB3 in 2012. Looking at his game log from last year, in 9 starts you get a line of 293 yards and 1.4 TDs. I don’t see why he can not repeat(or hover) around both those numbers in 2012. You combo his current asking price of round 12.12(18th) QB off the board, plus his production and you are getting outstanding value as a QB3!

    So this turned out to be a really(really) long post. Maybe I think about fantasy football too much? lol Too sum it all up, sure this style of drafting comes with some risk. Whats the fun of fantasy football, if you are not going to gamble a little? With this team it would be injury and having to trust Greene and Starks. That being said if you can hit with both those backs and Vick stays healthy, you are contending for a championship in 2012.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      You’re correct with regards to a 3rd QB being important. Having played in a 12 team league with 2 QBs, I can attest having that bench QB is vital to a chance at winning your season.

      Overall, I think going that high for quarterbacks leaves you too vulnerable at skilled positions to be worth the risk. Though that WR set would be fantastic overall, I think there’s a strong chance you hit on only 1 of 3 out of that mix at RB. With Tolbert in town, that Panther team became and RBBCF (the C is for cluster…you can guess what the F is for). Of course there’s always risk with FFB, but I try and avoid it when and where I can.

  3. The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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    Hey fellas,

    I’m taking over a team this year that’s in a dynasty league. See the team below in my signature. I have the 9th pick overall and am trying to figure out who i should take. I’d love to grab a RB, but there’s not much available. Here’s how i picture the draft going before me

    1. Richardson
    2. Luck
    3. RG3
    4: Floyd
    5: Doug Martin
    6: Justin Blackmon
    7: David Wilson
    8: Brian Quick

    the next pick would be mine, and based off my current roster i would like to take a RB. Do i take Ronnie Hillman? Do i take Donald Brown (Free Agent)? PEAD? Redman? Lamar Miller?

    or do i go WR and try to grab one of these players with a 2nd round pick (WRs available would be Rueben Randle, Alshon Jeffrey, etc.)

    I could also grab Cody Fleener to pair with Vernon Davis (we can start TE at the flex position).

    thoughts????

    12tm Dynasty IDP keeper league
    Start: QB, 2RB. 2WR, TE, 2 FLEX, K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 CB, 2 S
    QB: Vick, Ben
    RB: DMC, Beanie, Starks
    WR: Fitz, Smith (CAR), Crabtree, Titus Young
    TE: Vernon
    K DL: Jared Allen
    LB: Sean Lee, Chad Greenway
    CB: Jason McCourty
    S: Kam Chancellor

    • David_KOA says:
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      @The Talented Mr. Dope Man,
      If that is how the draft does play out leading up to your pick. I would rank the following players based on you roster/flex options
      1.) Kendall Wright- Insane amount of talent
      2.) Alshon Jeffery- playing with a talented QB & opposite a true WR1
      3.) Ruben Randle- Croweded WR crop but fits his new role great
      4.) Colby Fleener or Isaiah Pead; it’s a toss up between these two
      Hope this helps and good luck with your draft & new squad!

  4. The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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    its about to be my pick. this is how the draft has gone so far

    1. Richardson
    2. Luck
    3. RG3
    4: Alshon Jeffrey
    5: Doug Martin
    6: Justin Blackmon
    7: Michael Floyd
    8: Brian Quick (he hasn’t made this pick yet, but i think he will).

    Do i take Wilson here? I could possibly trade the pick and my 3rd round pick for VJAX? thoughts

    • The Talented Mr. Dope Man says:
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      @The Talented Mr. Dope Man, 8 took wilson, so i could take quick if i wanted.

      • David_KOA says:
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        @The Talented Mr. Dope Man,
        I would still take Kendall Wright, Ruben Randle, Colby Fleener & Isaiah Pead(in that order) before Brian Quick.

  5. Ummmm says:
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    What the heck kind of 2 QB leagues do you play in?

    Don’t you know that in any legitimate 2QB league worth its salt, all the Tier 1 AND Tier 2 guys are gone by the end of the 2nd round.

    There would be no way that Rivers/Ryan would be there in the 6th round in any 2QB league due to the higher premium and position scarcity of that lineup spot.

    C’mon man.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Having played in a 2 QB, 12 team league that also starts RB/RB/WR/WR/WR/TE then 2 W/T and 2 W/R since 2006, I have seen both the type of run you suggest and ones where they realize doing that leaves you too thin in other areas. From my experience in this league, the teams that overspent at QB rarely finished in the top 3. As I finished the article with, your league and their drafting habits determines how you handle your QB situation. This is merely an outlier on how to think about it.

  6. Peter says:
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    Good stuff to think about here. I play in a league with 2 QB, 4WR, 3RB, 2 W/R, 1 TE, 1 K, 1 DEF – and it’s a lot of fun. It basically eliminates FA and puts a lot of pressure on draft preparation (we have 12-16 teams each year).

    That said, I won it all a few years ago with Rodgers/Brees and lots of good value and lucky finds later in the draft. Two years ago I finished near the bottom. Last year I won by taking a QB somewhere in rd 3 or 4, then my second QB somewhere in the rd 6-8 range. What I’ve learned is that there’s a large middle class of QBs and if you can wait to get the lower end of that tier, you get great value and decent production from your QBs while being dominant at RB and/or WR.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Exactly. Like you said, it takes a lot of luck to land two top end QBs and then field a competitive team. Basically, you want steady production which is much easier to find than people think.

  7. hey says:
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    I won last year with trades. I picked up Matthew Stafford in the 12th round and then Tony Romo in the 6th. I ended up trading Romo and 2 others for Aaron Rodgers and got Ray Rice for Steven Jackson and another one. So I got paired with Rodgers and Stafford and got Rice along the way too. But I do have to mention that the people that traded them were dopes.lol

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Every league has a dope or two. Looks like you found them :)

  8. trevor says:
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    For some reason everyone I play with runs mostly 2 QB leagues and I am in about 6 of these already on the season. I’ve been in many already in the past too. THe QBs are all gone by the end of round 2..End of round 2 is guys like Matt Ryan this year. If you dont grab one early, you can do well but its tough.

    I may be exaggerating some because im actually skewed in my thinking a bit because i am actually in some 3 qb leagues with 12 and 14 teams so those qbs go even earlier than normal. I do remember many 2 qb leagues where, even with caps on hoarding qbs, they go very earlier and very often when early

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Yeah, your draft determines when you need to take one. If the top 12 QBs are gone before the end of the 2nd round, you probably need to spend a pick there to stay competitive in a 2 QB league.

  9. mike says:
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    Sky, I agree with your strategy but iy doesn’t fly. Qb’s fly off the board. Rivers will be gone by pick 15 and griffin by pick 35 not in the 6 to 10th round. It wasn’t always like this. I have been playing in the same league for 12 years and always had a competitive team, taking best player available without drafting a qb until the 4th round. But no moere, the top 18 qbs are among the top 20 scorers in my league for the past 4 years or so.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Yeah, I hear ya. The one two QB league I play in the most is really deep (2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 TE/WR, 2 RB/WR, 1 RB/WR/TE) so that probably plays into how teams shake out. That said, there are those teams that try and end the first three or four rounds with their two QBs and with how thin RB is, that truly can be fantasy football suicide.

  10. J-Bone says:
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    I have the 3rd overall pick in my league, and its a PPR league. We do things a little different. No bench. 14 teams. 2 QB 2 RB 3 WR 2 TE 2 K 2 Def. I’m fairly certain the 2 guys ahead of me will take Rodgers and Brady, respectively. I’m in a bind because it is a 2 QB league. Do I go the route of taking Brees this early, or go with my gut and take Ray Rice? He’s huge in a PPR as he caught more then 70 balls last year for over 700 yds receiving. Any help is appreciated, thanks!

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      I’m taking Ray Rice there though I would target a QB in round 2.

  11. Drew says:
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    Hey guys, want your advice:
    I’m in a 10-man league, our draft is coming up, and its as follows:
    Auction draft, 0.5 PPR, with 2 keepers (first season, so nobody has any players yet).

    Its a 16 man roster with 10 starters: QB, 2 RB’s, 3 WR’s, TE, Flex, Kicker, Defense. And to make it more interesting – any offensive player can be flex – I’m planning on it being a 2nd QB. This is because the scoring format also gives 6 points for passing TD’s – same as rushing or receiving TD’s. So the scoring format is very QB friendly.

    $200 budget, my general strategy, based off projected points using our league’s scoring format and several mock auctions I’ve done, was to spend roughly half my budget on two top tier QB’s (ideally Rodgers and Brady, but really Rodgers and either Brady/Brees/Stafford, or if he goes for good value, Cam Newton, would be good), then either $30-40 on Jimmy Graham or Gronkowksi (since its 0.5 PPR, I might prefer a good TE instead of RB), or else a pass-catching RB i can afford, like a Matt Forte (won’t have enough cash for the other 13 players if i spend $175-ish on 2 QBs and Foster/Rice/McCoy).

    Spend the remaining $50 or so bucks spread evenly across 2nd RB, 3 WR’s, plus a $1 kicker, $1 defense, and some $1-3 bench guys (3rd QB, 2nd TE, 3rd RB, 4th WR, etc).

    So basically $100-120 on 2 STUD QB’s that i start every week, $30-50ish on either an RB1 or TE1, and cheap at every other position.

    The 2nd strategy i considered was saving the $50 on my 2nd QB, getting a Matt Ryan or Phillip Rivers for MUCH less, and dumping the savings into better WR’s (think $15-20 Jordy Nelson’s and Victor Cruz’s and Julio Jones’, etc, rather than $3-5 Torrey Smith’s and Reggie Wayne’s and Titus Young’s).

    Thoughts? Or other auction draft strategies you think would work better? Nice thing is there is no draft order, so I just gotta decide the players/positions I wanna spend on, and how much.

    Thanks guys!

    – Andrew

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      I don’t mind going high on a QB and RB in your situation but think you’re better off aiming for the value QBs like you mentioned (Romo/Ryan…Ryan may or may not go cheaper than he should depending on the level of knowledge your league has). Basically your second strategy makes the most sense to me given your league settings.

  12. Drew says:
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    Thanks a lot Sky, I’m planning on another couple mock auctions to see what kind of roster I can put together if I go cheaper on my 2nd QB. The cheapest I’ve been able to get a Rodgers/Brady combo was about $115-$120, and they are both projected to score a lot of points and be very consistent, but if either of them goes down with an injury, it kinda tanks my season, whereas if one of my QB’s was cheaper, I can just switch the injured one to my 3rd one on the bench and still have enough talent at WR and RB to survive?

    My only concern with my 2nd high dollar guy being a RB/WR rather than a QB would be the injury risk factor? If I avoid guys like Vick and Peyton Manning, im less worried about a stud QB going down than a stud RB or WR. If QB’s are generally less injury risky, and also projected to score way more points, does it make sense to try 2 top-tier QB’s, even at a high combined price, rather than a cheaper 2nd QB with upside potential?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Not a problem. I’d agree with you in a snake draft more, but not with auction. You still have to field a good team minus your QBs. If your league is going to do what it sounds like it’s going to do, it’s better to zig when others zag or you lose out on value; injuries are a part of the game but not having good players at every position is just as bad as an injury. I understand what you’re saying about aiming for two stud QBs but I’ll put it to you this way: Josh Freeman was a top 10 QB in 2010, in fact I think he finished near the top 5. He may not have been an injury risk in 2011 but think about your strategy if you’re spending most of your money on him and it’s 2011. Spending big on one and being conservative with your costs on the next one is actually you taking on less risk for your team as a whole, in my opinion.

  13. Jon says:
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    I just had a draft in a 2 qb league (12 man league). Can you tell me how I did? Ways to improve? We get 6pts. for TDs and points for kick/punt returns.

    QB: Vick and Romo
    RB: Sproles, McGahee, K. Smith, A. Green
    WR: Fitzerald, Julio Jones, Maclin, E. Sanders, R. Cobb
    TE: Witten and Celek
    K: Crosby
    D: 49ers and Texans

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      In a two QB league, I’d rather have a backup QB than a backup TE. Fitz was probably taken where I would’ve grabbed my RB1 so your RB situation might be an issue this year. No sure what you’re expecting from a green in GB. Grab an FA QB if there is one out there whose not gabbert-like. See if someone would want to take an upgrade/downgrade trade with Fitz and one of your backs.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Oh and I usually don’t draft two DEF unless this is a two DEF league?

  14. JC says:
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    I’ve played in a 2 QB 10-man league for years and this year 11 QB went in the first 2 rounds. If you’re early in your draft pick up a top tier QB like Brady, Rodgers, Brees, or Stafford and most likely you’re going to go RB in Rd 2… unless you can get, and want, a moster TE in Graham. If you’re later in the draft, we’ve learned that you have to go QB-QB. Becuase our league is so QB heavy in the first 2 rounds there are plenty of solid RBs and WRs in later rounds. Here is my team in the order I drafted. The TE is my sacrifical lamb this yet. I had the 4th pick.

    Rodgers
    Chris Johnson
    Welker
    Colston
    F. Jackson
    D. Bryant
    V. Jackson
    Schaub
    D. Jackson
    PIT defense
    Benson
    Gostkowski
    Jennings
    Crabtree
    Keller

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Yeah, your league will always dictate. A Rodgers/Schaub pairing makes sense. Your RB1/2 are fairly high risk in my opinion and there isn’t a clear RB3 from your bench. Not saying there couldn’t be but I don’t know how much I trust Benson/Jennings over the course of a full year. Assuming this is PPR since Welker was your first WR off the board. You have a good set of them, not really clear if you start 2 or 3 but you have nice depth there. Probably your strength. Overall, would rather have some safer RBs but you still have a chance to be successful this year.

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