Strategy: The 6 Point Passing Touchdown

1. Thanks Jay for breaking that down! I have the option of keeping Brees in a 10 man league redraft league and giving up my 3rd round pick. Our PPR league score 6pts for QB passing TD’s. We are only allowed one keeper and you lose the round he was drafted in. Here are my other possible options, DeMarco Murray (4th), Ryan Mathews (7th), Jordan Cameron (13th). Who would you guys keep if in my situation? I am leaning towards Brees because I won the league with him last season. Thanks and keep up the great work!

   • Definitely, we take care of our readers as much as we can! I’m okay keeping Brees there… but Murray at that value is a steal. I can’t blame you for keeping Brees, but I’m personally going with Murray at the fourth.

2. And just imagine the impact when u have a 2 starting QB league that get 6pts / TD. That’s what we play in and it’s a live auction keeper (3) league. This year we hit record highs paying for QBs. Out of a draft budget of $200, Manning and Rodgers went around $115 ish. That’s crazy bazookas I tell ya!!!!

   Btw – love ur style of humor.

   -G

   • Totally, in that situation, you have to open the draft with QB/QB. In auction though, those numbers would rightly scare anyone off.

     Thanks!

   • @Gurpreet: love to see what happens to a roster that spent 57.5% on one player when it gets an injury or 2. hahah.

     • @A Wesley Snipes Life: I purchased Rodgers ($85) last year and ended up winning the division ($400 Prize). It can still happen when half your budget goes down the drain. Oh and I had foster too ($2 keeper though) that handicapped my team. What a stressful but rewarding season!

       Got Romo for $56 right after Brady went for $96… caught a lucky break… auction drafts kick total ass!

       • @Gurpreet Singh: Clarification: Romo/Brady prices were from this years draft (which we had real early on Aug 3rd!)

3. Good stuff Jay

   Quick trade question…

   I was offered the 9th overall pick and that player’s 7th rounder in exchange for my #1 overall in a 12 man .5PPR keeper league. Is the first round bump backwards and a second 7th rounder worth the exchange in your opinion?

   Thanks

   • Yeah, I think I might do it, but I think you should be able to try to get at least a 1st and 5th for letting him jump into the top-3. I’m okay with it now, but might be worth a try. Just keep reminding him that a choice between McCoy, AP, and Charles has much more value than AJ Green, DeMarco Murray, etc.

4. Great article Jay. Wondering if you can help
   Me with a keeper question I posted in a previous article of Smokeys which it seems he wasn’t able to get to. Thanks in advance.

   In 12 team head to head half point ppr league. It’s first year where we can have up to 3 keepers. My only options are:

   Vereen (round 5)
   Hilton (round 5)
   Foles (round 8)
   Woodhead (round 8)

   If I keep vereen and Hilton though they would be by 5th and 4th round picks.

   I also have the second pick in the overall snake draft and will take whoever is available between Charles and AP in case that factors into your thoughts. My thoughts are to keep vereen as a 5th, and go Wr, Wr with my round 2 and 3 picks and best available wih my 4th making AP/Charles and vereen as my two Rbs along wih two top Wrs and another random player (4th rounder). I’m not sure if I want to take foles in the 8th as well. Thanks for your thought in advance.

   • I would actually go with Woodhead for that extra value.

     • @Jay: thanks. what about foles as my qb in the 8th? 4pt passing td

       • I’m okay leaving Foles off the list, but some leagues, QB’s go early. If that’s the case, I’m okay keeping him there.

5. Thanks! Good stuff

   • Any time!

6. Thanks Jay!
   How many touches do you think Woodhead will see per game?

   • As a RB? Around five feels right.

     • @Jay: ppr, so with receptions too I meant

       • Ah, I’d say at least 5, and probably up to 10 or 11 targets not counting those rushes.

7. I am in a 3 keeper PPR league and need to decide who to keep. I have 5 players to decide on with the round I loose them in parenthesis after their name. K.Allen (4), J.Thomas (7), P.Harvin (8), M.Crabtree (10) and B.Tate (12)…Due to trades I have my 1st and 2nd round picks with 3 3rd round picks and my 4th round pick but I have no picks in the 5th or 6th round…I plan on keeping Crabtree and loosing my 10th round pick but not sure on the other 2. Any advice would be great.

   • I think you have to go with Allen and Thomas here, those values are still really great.

     • @Jay: In the 1st round would you pick D.Thomas or E.Lacy given that 2 of my keepers are WR’s and it’s a full point PPR league?

       • I’d go Lacy there.

8. 12 Team Auction Keeper Leauge, can keep two.

   Forte for $68
   Brees for 46
   Woodhead for $1
   Antonio Brown for $22
   Or Rod Streater for $1.

   Def keeping Brown, wasnt sure about the others. $200 salary cap and 6 pt TD – 1 QB Leauge

   • I might go Woodhead here and try to steal Streater again, or vica versa. I like both.

9. I commish a 10-team – start 2QB, 2RB, 3WR, 2 Flex (RB/WR/TE), 1 TE league.
   Our scoring is 6pt TD, distance scoring bonuses, PPR
   Distance bonuses are 6pts for a TD – 0-9 yards, 9 pts for 10-24, 12 for 25-39 and 15 for 40+
   as you can see big plays really add up.

   Here is a look at the top 3 in scoring last year in our league at QB, RB, and WR
   QB: Manning 595, Brees 526, Dalton 375
   RB: Charles 402, McCoy 329, Forte 310
   WR: Thomas 278, Gordon 274, Green 267

   This year I pick 6th out of 10. Typically in this league our first round is about 6 RB’s, 3 QB’s, and 1 WR. I don’t think everyone gets the total value of the top QB’s as a 1st round pick, and also being able to start as many as 4 RB’s (including flex) keep many owners going to the thin RB pool early and often. My early strategy this year is to target either Rodgers or Brees at 6, assuming Manning and the top 4 backs are off the board. In this format, if Forte and either Rodgers or Brees are available at 6. Do you agree that the QB is the smart choice? I’m thinking that one of Lynch, Foster, Bernard, LeVeon Bell, Montee Ball will be available with my 2nd pick.

   • Yes, in that format, I would go QB all day long.

10. Im in a 12 team PPR 3 player keeper league Right now I have Brees, Julio, and Graham. I was offered Murray for Brees. Should I take this? I dont pick till the end of the first round. Thanks

    • I would, as you are essentially trading a 2nd-4th rounder for arguably a 1st rounder.

11. Oh ya I forgot to mention 6 pt passing td

    • @Kevin: Yeah, I’m still okay with it.

12. Jay,

    .5 ppr league, 12 teams we keep 3. I can contract Cobb so I have him this year for 9 and next year for 14. Or keep Nelson this year for 23 and next year I can keep him if I want to at 23 or give him a contract which raises his price 5 each year I keep him.

    Who would you keep? I like Cobb but locking him in as a keeper concerns me with his contract situation and it limits me to only 2 other keeper choices next year. What would you do?

    Thanks

    • Yeah, would rather go Jordy here.

13. Thanks for the article. While it’s helpful to see how the projected qb rankings change with 4 vs 6 points, the more interesting question is how the change affects the value of qbs vs the value of other positions. For instance, is the change in points sufficient to justify taking a qb over a wr2 or rb2? Or, more basically, how does it affect tier rankings?

    • Yeah, my concluding though in the post covers that. I’m going with the idea that this is a ‘rising tide lifts all boats’ approach to this.

14. So with all of that being said about 6 point TDs…

    Where should Pman/Brees/Rodgers be taken in 12 team 1QB 6pt TD leagues? For Manning, I’ve been hearing everything from top 6 to around the 15th pick, but you know someone’s going to take him early.

    Brees seems to be going mid-2nd round and Rodgers at the end of the 2nd/beginning of the 1st.

    • I’d still wait on QB’s. There’s plenty of depth there to play with.

15. I’ve got the 10/12 pick in a 1/2PPR League. Routinely landing dez as my first pick and then Julio. RB’s available in third and fourth round are in the spiller/Matthews/sankey/ bush tier. Would you go WR/WR early? RB’s I’d be passing on are Murray, stacy, ball. Any downfall with going dez and Murray since both are cowboys? Thanks

    • Yeah, with those names, I would. Grabbing Stacy and Mathews that late is fantastic.

16. 1. In a Y! 12 Team standard redraft league would you Drop Pierre Thomas or Moreno or both for any of these RBs?

    D. Williams, McFadden, A. Williams, Ivory, Ingram, C. Michael, K. Robinson, J. White or Grimes?

    2. My Other Y! 12 Team standard redraft team –

    QB – Rodgers
    WRs – Cobb, Edelman, T. Smith, T. Williams, Bowe, N/A Gordon
    RBs – Lacy, Bell, Sankey, Miller, MJD
    TE – V. Davis
    K – Hauschka
    DEF – STL

    Would you make room for any of the Waiver players? – Cutler, Big Ben, Clay, Pierre Thomas, S. Jackson, Wheaton, Hartline, Kelvin Benjamin, F. Jackson, J. Hunter, T. West, D. Williams, Hyde, J. Hill, G. Jennings, A. Williams, Freeman, Stills among others. Sorry, lots of options.

    • I’d probably drop Moreno for Ivory… but let’s make sure those ribs are okay.

      Yeah, maybe Stills or Jennings over Gordon, but let’s see what the news is on his suspension first.

17. Keeper auction question: $200 budget

    Do you like Charles for $63 this year and $68 for next year? Have to make the decision now and if I keep him, I couldn’t drop him until after the *2015* season.

    If you like him, would you rather keep 1. Charles and Rashad ($10) or 2. Michael Floyd ($12)?

    My other keepers are: Stacy ($10), Crabtree ($10), and K Allen ($1).

    • I’d drop him because of that forced inflation. If you do keep him, I’m holding onto Floyd there.

18. Good writeup, Jay. I play in a league with 6pt TD’s AND .25 pts for completions. Does that sway you in wanting to grab one of the big guys early?

    Btw, looking forward to the draft tonight! My first one of the season. Woot motherfucker.

    • Not too much, probably an emphasis on guys who throw a lot (Brees) or high-accuracy guys (Rivers) would seem necessary here.

19. Hey! I just finished my auction draft and was already offered a trade. He sent his cj81 and Knowshown for Morris and AJ Green. Thought?

    • Did you need new shoes? If so… maybe.

20. Further proof it’s becoming a passing league and why I’m still befuddled why standard leagues aren’t leaning more toward 2 QB’s and pulling back on the 2 RB’s and/or mandatory TE slots. With the death of the workhorse RB’s and the reality there’s only 3-5 really great TE’s in the NFL you can rely on, why not enjoy the rise of the QB’s and WR’s in fantasy even though it kinda sucks if you like defensive football in reality?

    • I agree, and am really thinking about adding a full flex for next year’s RCL.

    • @Clint: Hey man just like with the real league, it’s all about the money. 2QB leagues can really only fairly hold 10 players. Less players equals less money.

      • @Chuck:

        I’d forgo the money if I could just find a reliable keeper league where everybody participates annually. Been doing this since 2004 and can’t ever seem to put one together that stays together, money or not.

21. I’m in a 12 team 2 QB 3 player keeper league where passing tds count as 6 points. My keepers are Lacy $26, Stacy $6, and D Thomas $29. I figure around 10 QBs will be kept by other owners. Should I try trading Stacy for Cutler at $14 or Stacy for Jimmy Graham at $29?

    • @Hometown Hero: That’s good value on Cutler, but it’s hard to pass up Graham here.

22. Hey thanks for this article. It is very hard to find any info out there on this subject. My league is also 2 QB so I also appreciated yesterday article about that.

    My draft stragety is fairly simple for this type of scoring and wanted to share it. I always hope to get a higher pick and grab one of the top 3 QB’s. I know my league pretty well and know that if I have a top pick and pass on a QB then I’ll be looking at one of the QB’s in the Romo/Griffen range with my next pick. A quick look at your projections shows about a 70 point difference between those QB tiers. I don’t see that big of a difference in RB tiers to justify passing on a top QB.

    The good thing if you have a draft group that rushes on Quaterbacks is that you can get a top tier RB with a bottom round pick which is my plan B if I can’t get a top 3 QB.

    The key to all of this is to really know your league and know how everybody drafts. Some folks scooff at abnormal 2QB leagues but the draft is a lot of fun as the picks are all over the place. I find it much more interstring then a 1st round pick of all RB’s, Grahm and Johnson.

    • Agreed, I’m starting to really enjoy the wrinkle that 2 QB leagues offer.

23. So, jumping on the 6 pt touchdown thread.

    My league has 6 point touchdowns and lots of bonus QB points thata dd up to huge numbers for the super elite QBs, plus double points for qb rushing TDs

    For reference total points last year:
    Peyton: 637
    Brees 550
    Dalton 449
    Cam 444
    Luck 429

    We’re also .5 ppr and double points for RB receiving TDs
    Top RBs:
    Charles 452
    Forte 361
    mccoy 355
    knowshon 303

    So with this crazy scoring in mind, I have the 4th pick, and I have Zac Stacy as a 12th round keeper.

    Am I crazy to think about peyton manning over Forte at 4?

    • I might wait till the second round at least here. I think a Forte/Cam combo might score more than a Peyton/2nd round WT-RB-TE combo.

24. in my full point PPR keeper league who would you choose in the 1st between D.Thomas and E.Lacy if my keepers are K.Allen, M.Crabtree and J.Thomas and we start 2 rb’s & 3 wr’s?

    • Going Lacy here.

25. Thanks for this. My main league is a 12 team ppr with 6pt tds and every year my friends massively overdraft qbs cause they freak out over the 6pt thing, and every year I load up elsewhere and end up at or near the top in total pts. I was going to suggest taking this article down but luckily these mopes barely get Google either.

    • No problem, I hope it helps!

26. Thanks for this sweet info . I have the 7th pick in a PPR League that gives a (.5 PER RECEPTION )
    not a whole point . But also QBs get 6 points Per TD . I know the Top 4 RBs will be taken
    Petey,Charles,McCoy,Forte . That leaves two picks before mine I would probably say
    Peyton & Calvin Johnson get drafted here . Who should I take here at 7
    Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn Lynch, Jimmy Graham, Eddie Lacy,Demarious Thomas?

    • @Justin: No probs. Personally, I’m going Graham there.

27. Hey man, 0.5 PPR, QB’s have 6 pts per TD, -2 for INT and -1 for sacks. QB/2WR/2RB/TE/FLEX. How would you value QB’s in our league with these league settings? And I have 6th position out of 10, redraft. Would you go Lacy, Calvin, or Graham at this spot?

    • @Pavan: About the same, and those three would work in that spot.

28. Been reading so much and doing way too much math…

    I have the #1 pick…. 12 team, 6pts qb td league……. PLUS a .5 PPR…… Manning fist pick? Or McCoy??

    .. No bonuses for long td’s

    • @Joseph: McCoy.

29. 6pt per td, no ppr. other settings are standard (-2 for int’s)
    14 team league.

    I am drafting at #12 in a snaking draft.

    Who should I choose as my keeper?

    Brees or McCoy?
    Thanks

    • I’d go McCoy here.

30. Great article! I’m in a 12-man non-ppr league. 6pts td for Qbs (1pt every 15 passing yds). Every year in my league 4-5 QBs are picked in the 1st rd!! If I don’t get Manning, Brees, Rodgers…how long should I wait to pick a QB? And who I should target?

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