The Sausage Fest gets extra meaty this week as the boys are joined by numbers guru and co-founder of Razzball, Rudy Gamble. Listen in as Rudy regales B_Don and DT with tales of the creation of Razzball and then attempts to crush Donkey Teeth’s Tarik Cohen hopes and Kerryon Johnson dreams.

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  1. Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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    14 team PPR with 2 keepers (they can’t ever come from the 1st 2 rounds). i took this team over when i saw that it had AB in 4th round (no escalation), then got 1st, 1st, 3rd. 6 pt throwing TD’s here (so usually pays to get a top 6ish guy). drafted out of the 12th in odd rounds.

    QB luck (i had luck i think 1 or 2 other years too, not last one though, 6th), trubisky (17)

    RB (2) mixon (1), mckinnon (2, been going drake or mckinnon with this area pick, usually drake), burkhead (5, WOW do the good “experts” (those who were better than 30th last year at FP for RB’s) like burkhead a LOT more than ADP, or rudy), gio B (handcuff, 10th), crowell (nobody likes crowell either in leagues, experts/rudy do though, 11), t.montgomery (13th)

    WR (3) AB (4th, keeper), goodwin (21st, keeper), baldwin (3), jeffery (7), richardson (he’s the #2 at WAS going this late, 14), dez (19th, so if he signs somewhere and is useful i could keep in the 19th next year)

    TE (1) doyle (yeah i’m in trouble if luck gets hurt again, 8)
    1 R/W/T flex
    K JAX kicker (good defense, running game, not good QB sounds like a bunch of FG’s)

    LB (2) wagner (9), ogletree (15)
    DL (1) c.jones (17)
    DB (2) byard (12), j.adams (16)
    2 IR’s

    the dez spot will be the stream slot if he doesn’t sign anywhere. also could go j.washington to handcuff AB, would that be better? parker also went in the late dez round.

    • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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      @Eli Man Penguin Boy: grab winston over trubisky here?

      • B_Don

        B_Don says:
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        @Eli Man Penguin Boy: I’d rather have Winston instead of Trubisky. You won’t need a bye week fill in for the first 3 weeks. Jameis has the higher upside and has shown he belongs at this level even if he does turn the ball over too much still.

        I’d hold on and wait to see if Dez signs over picking up Washington. You can get him or somebody similar later. Plus, while I’m split on handcuffing RBs, I do not believe in handcuffing WRs.

        Even with no Luck last year, Doyle finished as a top 10 TE.

        • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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          @B_Don: i’m forgetting that it was hilton who was demolished by having brissett.

          • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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            @Eli Man Penguin Boy: ok, so now it’s like i didn’t have a 2nd rounder unless i get morris. this is a FAAB (100) league. bid how much to get morris, now with this (maybe if dez gets signed i could trade a WR, but for now it’s just about blowing FAAB to get a better RB situation)

            RB: mixon, gio B, montgomery, crowell, burkhead
            IR mckinnon (will be dropped later when i need it)
            i’m guessing this is gonna be quite expensive.

            • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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              @Eli Man Penguin Boy: good thing i’ve been going drake over mckinnon everywhere else but here (looks like my string of 1st/1st/3rd is going to get worse here)

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                @Eli Man Penguin Boy: 2. if i don’t get morris (unless the bid was 100) best order of these: j.allen, hines, sproles, jac rodgers? clearly the bids on these wouldn’t have to be very high at all and are only there in case i miss morris.

                • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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                  @Eli Man Penguin Boy: i F’d this up. my first thought was 26 would get it done, then i realized i kinda NEED to get this done and went up to 57. then i sorta gotta smarter and moved it down to 43 (18 was 2nd highest). should’ve just gone with my brain over fear (but what usage is FAAB when you need it if you don’t use it) here. just gotta hope that extra 31 (or 40 if i was really really smart) doesn’t kill me ROS.

                  • B_Don

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                    @Eli Man Penguin Boy: Of those other RBs, I thikn I’d go Hines or Sproles. I think somewhere in the 40s was about right, and could even go higher if there are $0 bids.

                    • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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                      @B_Don: yeah there are zero bids, my guess is i kinda got lucky that not everybody noticed this since it was reported ONLY on sat, and waivers were early sunday. plus it’s not in season yet, people might’ve spaced out. my 47 could’ve been needed had those not been the case (it was 47 down from 53, which i changed with literally like 5 min to go)

  2. Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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    holy crap, this:
    http://rotoworld.com/player/nfl/9376/jameis-winston

    who knows if this is real or not, but that probably answers the trubisky vs winston above.

    for dynasty 2 QB leagues, is this now the rank for these 3: tyrod/fitz/foles?

    • B_Don

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      @Eli Man Penguin Boy: would take that as more noise in the media, maybe some motivation for Jameis, but he’s the starter imo when he comes back.

      I think I’d go Tyrod/Foles/Fitz. Neither Foles nor Fitz are going to keep the job long term, but Foles at 29 in dynasty vs Fitz at 35 is the determining factor forme.

      • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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        @B_Don: plus foles has looked VERY good when he needs to play in that PHI system, whereas fitz is 2 QB playable (who isn’t if starting) but not much better than that. also there’s reports of foles maybe needing to play already in weeks 1 and even maybe 2. without seeing matchups i’d guess he isn’t a play over mahomes, but maybe.

  3. Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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    uh oh, can’t do much about it above (except get mad at myself for just not drafting drake ahead of mckinnon ALL over like i had been doing), but how much for the future are we moving mckinnon down and breida/morris up?

    • Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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      @Eli Man Penguin Boy: well now we at least got 1/3 of this answered, only left how much the other 2 move up

  4. JB2 says:
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    Just saw the McKinnon news – going to try to trade one of my backs to the guy, what do you think of this:

    GIVE: Freeman and Golladay
    GET: OBJ and James White

    My other backs are Saquon, Ajayi, Carson, Ingram, so I can afford to lose Freeman.

    • B_Don

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      @JB2: That’s a trade I would make if you can get it done. I might start with one of the other backs and maybe a better kick in piece first, but I would do this deal if you’re looking to bolster your WR.

  5. Jb says:
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    Keep Luck or Corey Davis in 7th round of 12 team PPR league

    • B_Don

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      @Jb: It depends a bit on the keeper rules and who else you’re keeping, but given this information, I’d say Corey Davis in a 1 QB league and Luck in a 2 QB or superflex league.

  6. Nightpandas says:
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    Doing a 16 team non ppr snake draft tonight…any tips ? 1 qb 2 wr 2 rb 1 te 2 flex 6 Bn def k

    How would you treat this differently than a 12 teamer?

    • The Harrow says:
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      @Nightpandas: due to the 16ness and only 2 WR vs 3 WR make sure to nab RB’s earlier than in a 12, as they will go QUICK. likely do NOT pay up for a top TE either, as doing that conflicts most of time with the first point. gronk might be a smart get in a 10 teamer (or maybe a 12 too) but here you’ll hate your depth at RB and/or WR if you do that. do NOT pay ADP price for whatever TE you get. same thing applies to QB, but less so. that goes out the window if you are in a 6 PT throwing TD league though AND a 16’er, in that you might want to pay up for a top 6 QB.

      • The Harrow says:
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        @The Harrow: wait, AND the fact that it’s NON PPR, even MORE reason to make sure to go good RB earlier. i myself right now am working out the replacement level values for RB/WR/TE in standard leagues as i type this (for a 12’er but with deep benches) and the top end WR (AB, nuke etc) AREN’T guys that should be going in the top 8 picks at all. i’m in 16’s myself (usually they’re PPR’s though), just did a 20 (PPR 20)

    • B_Don

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      @Nightpandas: I don’t know if this is too late, but I’d generally agree w/ what Harrow said below. In general, RBs are flying off the board this year and in a 16 teamer, it’s going to be important to at least grab 1 guy you can count on.

      The full upside play is not as beneficial in a 16 teamer as the replacement level is not going to be as strong as it would be in a 12 team league.

      I would tend to wait a bit longer on the top QBs and TEs as Harrow said and focus on the RB/WR core, but make sure you don’t get locked out either. Don’t be the guy starting Tannehill and Jesse James. Balance and depth are more important.

      I also believe in taking the handcuff RB a little more in deeper leagues if I believe the back up would be able to fill in given the opportunity. So, maybe not Tarik Cohen as a fairly high pick to back up JHow as I’m not sure he’s the lone RB anyway, but John Kelly or Chase Edmonds types.

      If this was too late, sorry, but hope your draft went well.

      • Nightpandas says:
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        @B_Don: thanks guys…draft is tonight

        • The Harrow says:
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          @Nightpandas: yeah guys like kelly and edmonds also don’t cost as much as they easily could, even in 16’ers. what you’ll usually find is the exact area that the smart owners are nabbing all the rookie WR (the lesser ones) is where you might want to grab the RB handcuffs that are cheap (kelly/edmonds). agreed don’t completely punt QB and have tannehill and james (isn’t v.mcdonald the buy there anyway at PIT, rudy’s bot thinks so). punting TE is FAR better than punting QB though.

          • nightpandas says:
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            @The Harrow: so here is my draft:

            16 team standard (1 qb, 2 wr, 2 rb, 1 te, 2 flex)

            Qb: Big Ben/Winston
            Rb: Bell, Drake, Lynch, Foreman (DL)
            Wr: Baldwin, Jeffrey, R Matthews, Parker, Galloday, Stills, AMiller, Beasley
            Te: Howard
            D: Chiefs
            K: nobody yet

            Going to grab Kelly or Edmunds off the wire for Beasley…that was an autopick at the end

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              @nightpandas: other than RB depth looks ok, wondering why you went with 8 WR and 3 healthy RB’s though. i’d be saying this even if NOT a standard league. if anything in standards you’d possibly want more RB depth over a PPR league. so if you were there beasley would already be a RB i’m sure, but at least one of the slots you used for parker/golladay/stills/miller i’d have gone RB (that’s at least one). i’d also still be saying this if it was a start 3 WR league (here it’s a start 2 WR standard league).

              – so you must’ve went out of slots 2-4 to have l.bell. then probably went baldwin near end of 2nd round (or drake) then drake (or baldwin) early 3rd round.

              i myself after about 6 non dynasty drafts (some shorter keepers added in here (think max 6 keeper) have gotten jeffery in every one (way too cheap for that guy missing 2-3 weeks), drake or mckinnon (thank god it was a 80% drake) or mixon in every one and now wentz with mariota (twice today, both 12 teamers), and RW3 (SEA) QB in another (drafting out of the 1.1 slot). i’ve seen parker actually fall to like the END of drafts sometimes too.

  7. Super Terrific Carpal Tunnel Virusy Box vs Mail Robot (who wins) says:
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    here we go, this is my biggest money league of the year. full PPR, only 2 WR start, and here’s kicker, return yards worth same as scrimmage rushing/receiving. also 6 PT TD throws.

    so all of these move up

    CMC (a bit, basically back end of 1st rounder for sure).
    AB (could even move into say 3rd, but i’d still keep him 5th or so)
    JJSS (moves up to around fitz area and was drafted just before when i got fitz)
    lockett (moves up a LOT, into maybe green territory, albeit i’d not PAY that amount)
    cohen (moves into around cook territory, but again, you don’t PAY that much)
    crowder (to around cooks territory)
    anywoo so you try to balance their ADP’s but move it up a quite a bit, while not overpaying. i

    think i F’d up, got worried about not getting wentz or luck (so went wentz in late 7th round) and probably should’ve punted down to around doyle in TE’s, since when i went d.walker (early 6th round) all hell broke lose and in 5 more picks all of crowder, lockett, cohen were gone. i had no chance at AB or CMC anyway (8th pick). also guys like kirk, dede, grant (JAX), clement gain value, and really kick returning is a REALLY inexact prognosticating science (guys lose jobs, guys get banged up a little and taken off of it, guys get too valuable to team from other injuries and taken off of it, they might use 4 guys for returns etc).

    QB wentz (7), mariota (13, he is ranked higher than the a.smith/foles who i could’ve gotten for week 1, and i’d be pretty sure will have more ROS overall value than the others here IF healthy)

    RB: (2): barkley (first time ever owning him, 1), ajayi (4, over mccoy, who scares the hell out of me with injury/suspension risk), r.freeman (5), coleman (8), clement (9), booker (15)

    WR (2): k.allen (2), fitz (3), jeffery (he’s getting WAY too cheap late in preseason when people now know he’s missing 2 games, 9), cobb (10, even cheaper this year than jeff), hurns (12, who else is going to catch balls here, rookie WR (gallup), t.will/beasley, 3 rookie TE’s (or near rookie)?, could drop for others)

    TE: (1) d.walker (6)
    K (1) streamer (prater for now, 16)
    team D (1) BAL

    1. how’s this look in general, i double handcuffed.
    2. hold hurns over these: kirk/ginn/dede (returners, and kirk is fitz WR handcuff), parker (whole world hates this guy now, he’s like the puig of football), ridley
    3. hold weakest RB (booker, but handcuff) over: riddick or hines (appears to be double returner at IND, i know wilkins and him had horrible camps supposedly, bumping mack back up, missed mack by one pick i would’ve taken him)

    • Super Terrific Carpal Tunnel Virusy Box vs Mail Robot (who wins) says:
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      @Super Terrific Carpal Tunnel Virusy Box vs Mail Robot (who wins): 1 flex, and for reference back before the NFL screwed around about 4-5 years back with moving the kick return line up, sproles was the 2nd best player overall in this league (maybe 6-7 years ago). that year i drafted him somewhere in the 9th-14th range. he was also like 12th overall the year next to that year. return yardage isn’t such that that is still the case.

    • Donkey Teeth

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      @Super Terrific Carpal Tunnel Virusy Box vs Mail Robot (who wins): 1) Looks good 2) I’d hold Hurns but keep a close eye on Parker and Kirk 3)If Hines is returning and you get that many points for return yards then I think you should swap for him, he should get some receptions as well…
      Good luck

  8. G-San says:
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    This is my team:
    QB: Cam
    WRs: Adam theilen, Demarius Thomas, Amari Cooper, Corey Davis, Devin Funchess, Sammy Watkins, Julian Edelman
    RBs: Christian McCaffrey, Jordan Howard, Dion Lewis, Kerryon Johnson, Rashad Penny
    TEs: Evan Engram and Trey Burton
    D/ST: Ravens

    Someone dropped Rex Burkhead and he’s available without even using a waiver claim. Do I drop someone for Burkhead? If so who??

    • Donkey Teeth

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      @G-San: Tough call. I’d probably cut Edelman for him but it’s not a slam dunk or anything…

      • B_Don

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        @Donkey Teeth: Unless you play 2 TEs, I’d be fine letting go of Burton.

        • Donkey Teeth

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          @B_Don: I’ve moved Burton ahead of Engram myself. DA BEARS!

  9. I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and 6,000 for you to bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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    12 team standard dynasty. 5 IR’s (jeffery and wentz will be slottable shortly). i miscounted how many WR i already had and went t.smith with my last pick (NO of course), but might be better off with RB #6 than WR #6 here.
    QB trubisky (while wentz is out)
    RB (1): howard, drake, mack, barber, michel
    WR (2): hopkins,thielen, m.thomas, hilton, t.smith (NO)
    TE (1): cook
    RB/WR flex (1)
    WR/TE flex (1)
    K none yet
    DEF MIN
    IR jeffery, wentz

    so i already got room for the kicker, later on jeffery i’d guess when activated drops t.smith unless he’s already blown up as NO’s #2 guy. i went upside only there knowing it could be a drop later. for now who’s best add out of these: RJ2 (having barber could influence), AP, a.jones, breida, clement,

  10. TobiasFunkeAnalRapist says:
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    Great work fellas. This is an idp question. It’s a 12 team league where you can start up to 4 lbs in util spots with a tackle-heavy scoring system. I’ve got barron, ogletree, deion jones, and woodyard as my drafted guys and I see that there are some guys players on waivers. What are your thoughts on Schobert? He was a monster last year but Collins will be back. Guys I can drop are Tre-quan smith, cory clement, gio bernard, theo riddick, dede westbrook, kenny golladay, ron jones, this is a .5 ppr with 3 flex and 2 wrs so I’d like to keep most of these guys. So who do you think you would drop for schobert or would you hold? Smith probably right? He might be great in a few weeks but probably not at the beginning of the year. Thanks.

    • B_Don

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      @TobiasFunkeAnalRapist: Looks like even with Collis back Schobert will maintain a starting role on defense. I’m not typically one to hoard IDPs as there are usually plenty available via the wire/FA, but if it’s something that your league values, you know your league better than I do. Of the names listed, I think it’s probably Golladay or Tre’Quan to go. Golladay has 2 other established targets that he has to bump for playing time/targets. Tre’Quan is a rookie and there is always a question on how fast rookies come out of the gate, but I do like what I saw on film from him in college and the limited preseason work.

      • TobiasFunkeAnalRapist says:
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        @B_Don: awesome thanks, would you drop bruce irvin for brandon graham?

  11. Eli Man Penguin Boy says:
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    joined the latest drafting RCL (MB’s on the night of the 5th). he’s drafting 1.1 is that on purpose in just his case, random or do all razzball writers just get 1.1 since it’s their league? or maybe it’s randomized later closer to draft time and the currently shown order isn’t the real one anyway.

    • B_Don

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      @Eli Man Penguin Boy: All RCLs were randomized by Fantrax, the hosting site. I had the 6th pick in my RCL, and is probably one of my least favorite spots to draft from this year if I was given a choice. That being said, I do like my team in my RCL, but I like most, if not all, of my teams before the season starts.

  12. Eric The Waiter With Hands For Hands says:
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    12 team half PPR. man getting lucky and getting first pick might have a lot to do with this, but this was my fav draft all year (money league too so i got that going for me). 6 pt TD throws
    QB RW3 (SEA, 4th)
    RB (2): gurley (1), mixon (2), barber (6), mack (9), michel (11), and the handcuffs gio B (12), kelly LAR (15)
    WR (2): hilton (3), landry (5), kupp (8th, latest i’ve seen him this year), jeffery (12), dj moore (13)
    TE (1) rudolph (7)
    1 R/W/T flex
    kicker none yet
    D (1) BAL (14)
    drop gio B or kelly or dj moore for a kicker? thinking kelly (due to system) would be better than gio B if mixon or gurley got hurt.

    2. also, went to check yr most recent rankings page for half PPR WR’s to see where dj moore ranks compared to say ridley or sanu, and moore’s not listed at all, is that on purpose? all those and hurns/a.miller not owned.

    • B_Don

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      @Eric The Waiter With Hands For Hands: 1. I would go with Gio as the drop. He has some stand alone value, but even if something were to happen to Mixon, I don’t believe he takes that job over by himself. While I do think Kelly could handle the opportunity if it came about. Really liked the tape on Kelly and surprised he fell as far as he did in the draft and unfortunately into a very limited role barring injury.

      2. I only created standard rankings for this season. That is the format that I typically focus on and that is the primary perspective for our podcast typically. FWIW, I would have DJ Moore ahead Ridley and Sanu. I think Ridley and Sanu are going to cannibalize touches from each other this season.

      • Eric The Waiter With Hands For Hands says:
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        @B_Don: yeah i knew your podcast dynasty list(s)(and redraft rankings podcasts) were for standards, but the tab still shows up for half/PPR/standard in the rankings page, and it does adjust from one to the other (i haven’t checked how much that it does though).

        • B_Don

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          @Eric The Waiter With Hands For Hands: Unfortunately, there is only one link/widget you can use from FantasyPros where the rankings are hosted and it does show all 3 versions whether you have created them or not. Thank you for asking about it though. Next season, I will adjust rankings for all 3 primary formats (non, .5, PPR). I do believe we have a couple other rankers here at Razzball who do those however if you would like a frame of reference, and I’m happy to answer any specific questions you may have for player values.

          • Eric The Waiter With Hands For Hands says:
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            @B_Don: yeah others do for sure, good to know that some rankers actually only do certain ones even though the widget would indicate otherwise.

  13. I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and 6,000 for you to bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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    12 team half PPR. added ware, in case he’s a better hold than gio.
    QB wilson
    RB (2) gurley/kelly/mixon/gio/michel/barber/ware
    WR (2) hilton/landry/kupp/dj moore
    TE (1) rudolph
    1 flex
    IR jeffery
    K none
    DEF BAL
    so ware or gio B to drop for kicker. ware might have more stashing value.

    • B_Don

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      @I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and 6,000 for you to bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail: Not sure if that’s Rob or John Kelly, but I’d be fine dropping John over Ware or Gio. If I had to choose between the 2, I’d probably lean Gio based on independent value, but if you’re looking for somebody who could take over a job, then I’d go with Ware. I think Gio will be an asset for you in bye weeks, but even if something were to happen to Mixon, I don’t believe he would be given a full workload.

      • I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and 6,000 for you to bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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        @B_Don: that’s gurley handcuff kelly, and similarish to KC’s system i’d think would do well in event of a gurley injury (like ware would likely)

        gurley, mack, michel, mixon, barber all have different bye weeks as well, so i lucked out on that (sort of, i write this down during draft, but if i like a player i usually won’t dodge him from bye week issues)

  14. Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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    12 team dynasty super standard (rush yards 10 per point, but receiving 15 per) albeit half PPR as well.
    QB (1) wentz/trubisky
    RB (1) howard, drake, mack, barber, michel
    WR (2) m.thomas, hopkins, hilton, thielen, t.smith (NO)
    TE (1) cook
    1 RB/WR flex
    1 WR/TE flex
    IR jeffery
    1. drop anybody for any of KJ (DET), burkhead, recently dropped after the draft. actually just which is better, as when wentz gets ruled out i can just add one of these or one of the WR below
    2. drop t.smith NO for any of: doctson, godwin, benjamin, ross, hurns? my guess is later this roster spot becomes the drop when jeffery is back
    5 IR’s here.

    • B_Don

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      @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: 1. I’d drop Mitch for KJ in a dynasty. I like his skill set long term. I was worried that it might take a while for him to take a role in the offense, but looks like that may have come to be sooner than later. I’m still a bit concerned about his production as the Lions haven’t had a 100 yard rusher since 2013 and before that 2004, but you’d have the same job sharing problems in NE likely.

      2. I probably wouldn’t drop Tre’Quan for any of those guys. If you get the IR spot to make a pickup though, I’d rank them Kelvin, Hurns, and Godwin.

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @B_Don: can’t drop trubisky yet, wentz not playing, only reason i drafted trubisky (picked 3 players total) was knowing that. later i’d guess if nobody else gets injured that roster spot would be the streaming one for wentz bye week, team D bye week (didn’t mention K/D here yet, have MIN, too good to drop, kicker is whatever to drop). with 5 IR’s this kinda stuff usually works itself out anyway though, somebody gets hurt. in the short term i CAN add KJ when wentz gets ruled out though. yeah t.smith drafted with his possible upside in mind if he fairly quickly becomes brees’ #2.

  15. Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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    for a completely different non dynasty, trubisky or winston as luck backup (14 teamer). 6 pt passing TD’s.

    • B_Don

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      @Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey: Give me Winston. I’m a Bears fan and I think the offense takes a step forward this year, but I’m still not sold that Mitch is the QB of the future as we didn’t let him do much last season. We already know Jameis belongs in the NFL, even if his turnover tendencies on the field and off the field issues have been a bit of a concern.

      • Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey says:
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        @B_Don: yeah that’s right both of your podcasters are big bears guys.

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