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So you just got into your uncle’s start up league and are taking on the brain trust of Cousin Jed, Aunt Loretta, and Grandpa Joe. So you are pretty sure these will be easy pickings and there are inheritances to win, but for some reason Uncle Red set it up as a 2 QB league and now you have to actually think about what you are doing. So I’m going to try to do some thinking for you and maybe you can do a little and then I’ll do some and we’ll just pass the thinking around until we are all hopped up on thinking.

So when facing a league with a roster or scoring you aren’t used to, you’ve usually got to reprogram your fantasy brain.  The good thing is that your league mates are also in the same boat or at least the majority of them are.  Take our subject today, how many of your run of the mill leagues have 2 QBs?  Not many.  Yes, you could be getting into a league that has been playing with 2 QBs for the last 20 years, but that isn’t often the case, but even if it is, don’t worry too much. Unless you are just a worrier and then I’m not qualified to assist you.

The only reason I like to wait on quarterbacks in your standard leagues is because when you draft just 12 starters you know you are going to get a solid quarterback even if you wait. Your league mate isn’t going to draft Brees in the third round and then screw you up by drafting Manning in the 4th. That person is dunski with QBs for a long while. But if s/he drafts a RB in round 1 there is nothing stopping this wo/man from drafting another in round 2 and quickly narrowing the RB player pool way down. I will feel great getting Tony Romo in the 5th round in a 1 QB league and going about my business, but all of this stuff I’ve just talked to you about? It goes right out the window in 2 QB leagues.

Let’s take a look at the top scorers from each position and where the points drop off:

QB: 1. Michael Vick 300, 12. Matt Cassell 217, 24. Jason Campbell 148

RB: 1. Arian Foster 313, 12. Maurice Jones-Drew 186, 24. Tomas Jones 126, 36. Marshawn Lynch 103

WR: 1. Brandon Lloyd 203, 12. Mike Williams (TB) 151, 24. Derrick Mason 117, 36. Michael Crabtree 103

You can see that the drop off after the top 12 QBs is a little steeper than the drop off after the top 12 RBs, but the biggest reason I want 2 of the top 12 QBs in my 2 QB league is that the chance of the 24th drafted QB outplaying the 24th drafted RB isn’t likely.  I much rather take 2-3 backup RBs with the chance one will finish in the top 12, than do the same with low end QBs.

You know what you are getting with the top QBs.  Even with the erratic play of some, you know they have the ball in their hands all of the time and even if they are getting shellacked they can start heaving the ball down field and have an average to good game fantasy wise.  They are also protected as if they are wee baby children.  Yes, they are exposed and can get hurt, but the league continues to make it harder to beat one down like they need and should be.  Running backs don’t quite get that luxury.

I’ve tried playing this out with the, you zig and I zag approach, but I can’t make it work.  I still want my top 5 RBs, but after that, I’m ready to throw down QB style.  Most of your league mates will be in the same frame of mind so you could see McFadden/Forte/McCoy/AJ, etc… fall to where you just have to grab one, and that is fine.  Take value.  It’s not like QB TD’s are worth 100 points each, but if you do, you know where your next pick needs to come from.  That fleshy, sweaty, ego driven, quarterback pool.

The main goal I have in 2 QB leagues is to have 2 upside, top 12 QBs.  That doesn’t automatically mean you have to have Vick, Rodgers, Brees, Manning, but if you have the choice between say McFadden and one of those three, I’m leaning toward the elite QB.

In this kind of league you have to pay attention to the QB runs (gross).  I hate reaching for a position just because everyone else is, but with this set up I am much more inclined to because I do not want to get stuck with John Beck as a starting QB.  It is easier to make up for missed RBs and WRs than QBs.  Yes, there are upside QBs out there, but not many.  Matthew Stafford comes to mind, Sam Bradford and TIm Tebow as well, but you just don’t see Arian Foster, Brandon Lloyd and Peyton Hillis type sleepers in QB circles all that often.

So, don’t be afraid to strike the QB fire while it’s hot.  I know it goes against muscle memory, but fight through it!  You can do it!

  1. Greg says:
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    Doc,

    Great points, in 2 QB leagues ya gotta reach just a lil bit… whats up w. the s/he crap this year…. Just write he, the ladies gotta know this is primarily a guy thang :)

    Anyway, you gotta think about Rex Grossman as a sleeper QB this year. Don’t forget I was the guy who picked out Freeman last year before he became the rage. Grossman now has a solid stable of WRs with S Moss, Donte Stallworth, and Jabar Gaffney. Shanahan has a year under his belt to set the O-line schemes the way he wants and the Shahanan clan is fiercely competitive. The problem children in DMac and Haynesworth are gone so there are no more distractions.

    Grossman might drop 3000 yds and 25 TDs this year…..

  2. Jim Parkey says:
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    Greg, please warn us in the future when you’re posting high comedy. Caught unaware, I now have cofee dripping out my nose onto the keyboard…

  3. Greg says:
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    @Jim – now you are hilarious….thanks for brightening my day. Sexy Rexy will make you a believer :)

  4. ThePoonTycoon says:
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    doc (or anyone with an opinion):

    i’m in a keeper league. we keep 3 guys. brees and foster are no brainers for me. the last spot comes down to mendenhall, sjax, and nicks. i’m trying to swing some pre-daft trades for pick upgrades, but the going is tough. mendenhall seems to have the best value. does anyone think sjax can put up double digit TDs this year? he doesn’t seem to have lost a step yet, and the STL offense should be better right?

    mendenhall is the ‘safer’ pick because of age, but he does seem to constantly be in the doghouse and comes off the field on 3rd downs.

    i have an offer of my 5th round pick (end of the 5th) + mendenhall for another guy’s 2nd rounder (14th overall). this would give me 3 straight picks at the turn of the 1st and 2nd rounds (my 2 plus his 2nd rounder), basically about a 40 pick upgrade.

    worth the gamble to drop from mendenhall to sjax? or would nicks be worth keeping over sjax?

  5. Lubey says:
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    Chet,
    Another great write-up as usual. I was thinking of spicing up my league this year and the concept of 2 qbs or just a utility crossed my mind. I think your article is an omen for me to go with 2 qbs! Quick question though; if I was to go with the utility is it a no brainer to go with two qbs or would you consider going 4 rbs–2 regular, 1 flex, and the 1 utility???

    @Greg
    I dont really see sexy rexy going 3,000 and 25 especially seeing Philly’s secondary twice this year. I also think Shanahan’s man crush on Beck will cause him to start.

  6. Greg says:
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    @Lubey – Assuming you are right about Grossman (which is highly possible) do you think Beck will be productive? Don’t know much bout Mr Beck

  7. Lubey says:
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    @Greg
    Honestly, I really dont know much on Beck either. I watched him at BYU and he was pretty impressive. He really has not done much in the NFL and has been thrown around as a backup. Shanahan doesnt like to show his cards so Beck may or may not be the starter but Im going to have a hard time saying that Beck will be a productive qb in dc or anywhere.

  8. farcus says:
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    have read that beck will start. . . he looked good at BYU, but so did Max Hall, so did Ty Detmer.

  9. Bourne says:
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    Doc,
    I think early 2qb drafts works in a 2rb 3wr type league. What about even deeper leagues with 4wr and 3 rb? Also I was just thinking about adding 2 def and 2 kickers to my work league.

    Deeper leagues are more fun in baseball. Why do more FF not go deeper rosters? I love trading and like trading over waiver lottery.

  10. rays says:
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    Great info!
    Question though One league Im in has 2 QB’s 3 RB’s 5 WR/TE
    no defense no kicker.
    How would you draft that? Talk about going against muscle memory.
    Could I get some help?

  11. Doc

    Doc says:
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    @rays: Just be happy you don’t have to draft a K or D and make sure you grab a QB early.

    @Bourne: If you are going to make a team deeper just add flex positions and let people decide who they think is more valuable to put in there. Defenses and kickers are too fluky and add more luck to the outcome in my opinion.

    @Lubey: I think it is a no brainer to draft the utility as a QB, but of course as the season goes on you may end up putting another position in there.

  12. Greg says:
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    @farcus – thanks for the Ty Detmer memory… he was a good fantasy QB for a year! Other then Beck starting what do we know about him? BYU loves to throw the ball so can the kid actually read D’s? Why is Shanahan “man crushing” him – he has bounced a rnd the NFL a bit…

  13. Doc

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    @ThePoonTycoon: Seems like that 14th pick would land you someone a lot worse than Mendy unless I’m reading that incorrectly. I would rather have Mendy than SJax for sure. It’s close between SJax and Nicks. I keep thinking Ronnie Brown will go to the Rams, but no word yet.

  14. Wilsonian says:
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    I’ve got a possible preseason trade question for you. It’s a small 8 team 0.5 PPR league. All other scoring is the usual Yahoo scoring with partial points and some yardage bonuses here and there. QBs are generally the best players overall, but not by much. And RBs and WRs are relatively close, with the edge going to the RBs. Here’s my lineup from last season with just the pertinent players:

    QB: Rivers
    WR: White
    WR: Wayne
    WR: Colston
    RB: CJ
    RB: McCoy
    TE: Daniels
    W/R: McFadden
    BN: Hillis
    BN: Mike Williams – TB
    BN: Felix Jones
    BN: VJax

    We keep 2, can’t be the same position. And we do preseason trades where you can trade players and picks. I might be getting offered Vick for CJ and I would also get his 3rd or 4th round pick and then give him my 6th or 7th round pick. Is this something I should be entertaining? I’m a little worried that CJ’s production will drop off a bit, and if I could get McCoy, Run DMC and some others, I would be ok. If I should do a deal like this, who would I keep (I would have to keep Vick if I traded for him)?

    Thanks man.

  15. Doc

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    @Wilsonian: I actually could see doing that in such a shallow league. Vick, if he stays healthy, is the clear #1 QB even out of the elite. It’s a risk, but with the other teams so stacked you sometimes have to take those risks.

  16. Greg says:
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    @Doc – great article and video on Beck. Thanks for the heads up. You are a fountain of knowledge. Beck….may just may pan out for the crazy Shanahan. Mike Shanahan is right up there w. Gru Dog in my book. Too bad Gruden has gotten to comfy in the MNF booth to coach! Jon Beck 3000yards and 25 TDs instead?!? just trying to make Jim spit his coffee out again :)

  17. DDT says:
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    Doc, I just drew draft slot #7 in an 8 team 2QB league. I am thinking of going QB-QB if any two of Vick, Rodgers, Brees, Brady, or Manning are still available. Silly idea?

  18. Trevor says:
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    I played a 3 QB league last year where one of the slots was QB/WR/RB/TE. I waited til like the 8th round and got a whole mess load of scrubs. I got second because I had a huge advantage at RB and by the end of the year I was picking up QB’s left and right. Rex Grossman put up 50 points for me in the playoffs to get me to the title game. I would say maybe reach for one in round 4 or 5.

    This league I was in was an absolute laugher too. I saw Kolb go like 23 overall and the whole draft was like that.

  19. Joe says:
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    Anyone know a website that has 2qb league rankings? ESPN used to do them, but haven’t in a few years. Thanks

  20. DDT says:
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    BUMP THIS from @Joe

    >>Anyone know a website that has 2qb league rankings? ESPN used to do them, but haven’t in a few years. Thanks <<

    There are a lot of 2 QB leagues out there. You FFB bloggers are missing a big part of the market. Are there any 2 QB mock drafts out there?

  21. Doc

    Doc says:
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    @DDT: @Joe: I would, but it just seems redundant. The only difference is moving QBs up. That’s why I do the strategy post instead.

  22. Ray says:
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    Finally, someone out there who is thinking! How does not EVERY Fantasy football League open up their rosters more like baseball. The more guys on your team = the more to watch and root for on Sunday. 2 QB’s is a no brainer. It’s ridiculous that QB#13-#32 don’t step on the field in 1QB leagues.

    @Bourne:

  23. DHill Dragons says:
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    We’ve been playing in a 10-man 2 QB league since the early 90’s. It certainly makes every position important in your draft strategy. Every year we get some schmo that thinks he’s smarter than everyone else and he’s going to wait and not take a QB until at least the 7th round, and every year that guy gets steam rolled. Most of our owners end up having at least 1 QB at the end of round 2 and usually 1or 2 guys will have 2 QB’s at the end of round 3. The other thing we do is play with 2 flex positions which can be RB/WR or TE. This usually ends up with quite a few owners looking to field as many as 4 starting RB’s so they are at a premium as well. No matter how many mock drafts you do, you can never predict exactly how our drafts will go, and that’s half of the fun. But it also makes having a draft strategy as important as being flexible as your draft unfolds.

    In my 2 QB league I draft 4th this season, so I’ll be looking at a stud RB with the first pick. A stud QB in the 2nd round (ideally whoever is left between Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers). And then the best values in the 3rd and 4th – almost definitely another RB and then a WR or my 2nd QB if they’re going like hotcakes.

    We also play with 2 starting Def/ST’s each. This also adds to the strategy of how you shape your team throughout the draft. A few rules I usually follow: Never wait too long to establish your QB1. Don’t wait too long to grab your first Def/ST. Circle a few sleepers that you “must have” and when the time is right, grab them, don’t wait too long when you’re at the back end of the draft. And of course, make the kicker your last pick. You could look at 20 different sites and magazines and you’ll find 20 different kicker lists. Every year my 4th or 5th ranked kicker ends up still being available to me with my last pick. One last tip. As important as it is to get in on runs sometimes when they happen. Don’t necessarily jump in on the TE run. Usually every year there are 3 or 4 can’t miss TE’s and then a group of 10 that you could argue for the 5 through 10 spot. If you miss out on the top few TE’s have one or two guys circled between your 5th and 10th ranked TE’s. When you’ve reached the point in your draft where only one of your circled guys is left and you see it as good value. Take him with your next pick.

    Good luck guys, this is always a fun time of year preparing for the draft.

  24. Greg says:
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    @Dhil – Your strategy seems rock solid. However, my only question lies in why you take a D early? I realize you play 2 D’s but couldn’t u always just go D by matchups week to week?

  25. DHill Dragons says:
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    @Greg: Thanks Greg, as far as Defenses are concerned I do usually play the matchups with my 2nd Defense but for my first Defensive unit I like to pick a solid team with a good track record. Usually somewhere between the 3rd to 6th ranked Defenses on my sheet. I wouldn’t say I target them early (but that term is all relative), but normally somewhere around the 10th or 11th round I’ll look to take my 1st Defense after maybe 3 or 4 are off the board (including the true early pick by someone in the 6th round). This way I end up with a week to week defense I can count on (think Steelers, Ravens, Eagles) and then play the matchups with my 2nd D/ST.

  26. Alex says:
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    Hey guys, I’ve got a good question for the 2 QB league veterans. I have 1st pick in the draft of a 12 team 1/2 PPR league. We start 2 Qbs 2 WR 2WR 1 TE and a FLEX WR/RB/TE.

    The person who has the 10th pick in my league offered his 2nd, 3rd, and 5th round picks for my 1st pick. I would not be picking until the second round and it is a QB heavy league. Please let me know your thoughts!!!

  27. DHill Dragons says:
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    @Alex: That’s tempting, it sounds like you would have your first pick at 15 (his 2nd round pick) and next picks at 24 & 25 (your 2nd & 3rd round picks), and then pick 34 (his 3rd round pick).

    So, in essence you’re choosing between these 2 sets of picks in the first 5 rounds:
    1, 24, 25, 48, 49 (your current set) or
    15, 24, 25, 34, 48, 49, 58 (proposed set with the trade)

    What you really need to decide is what you think you would do with the 1st pick vs. what you could get with the 15th, 34th, and 58th picks.

    If you don’t pick until 15 and you miss out on the elite QB’s (Rodgers, Vick, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Manning) and the elite RB’s, how do you feel about that? Who are you thinking about at 1 and who would you think about at 15 if that was your first pick?

  28. Reggie says:
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    I disagree that you should still take the top 4-5 running backs first in a 2qb league. In my league last year (2qbs, 3wr, 2 rb, 1 te, 1 D) I went back and assigned a “MVP Rating” value to each pick based on how many fantasy points that player scored in comparision to the last ranked starter at their position. After Arian Foster at #1 (he had an insanely amazing season), the next 6 were QB’s. Makes no sense if I have the 5th overall pick NOT to take Vick or Rodgers instead of Ray Rice in that situation….

  29. Doc

    Doc says:
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    @Reggie: If you are starting 2 QBs and 3 RBs it does. If only 2 RBs I’d go Vick/Rodgers there.

  30. Ray says:
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    Guys,

    Do you know of a site that posts a 2QB League Mock Draft? CBS came out with one last summer, but not until 8/30. We use the Mock Draft to determine the rounds of our 4th year keepers.

    Thanks

  31. Joe says:
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    Hope someone sees this I am in a bit of a pickle though in my 2qb league we are allowed two keepers. I need help choosing I narrowed it down between brady, AP, and Arian Foster. I wish I knew what everyone else was keeping because I don’t know how many elite QB’s are going to be up for grabs. Which is why i think I have to keep Brady. Also should we be able to trade players for high draft picks?

  32. Jeff says:
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    2 QBs, 2 RB, 2WR starting in a 12 man league. And you have the first overall pick… It’s hard not to take Foster (or AP, depending on your preference). At the same time, if you don’t take a QB with that #1 overall pick, what are you going to be left with? Perhaps the 10th or so rated? Then do you just take 2 QB’s right there? at 24 and 25?

    Otherwise, you take the QB #1, then you’re likely going to end up with,say, the #8-#12 Rb.

    I would guess that the point difference between qb#1 and qb#10 is much larger than Rb#1 and rb#8.

    So even at #1, is it crazy to go with someone like Rodgers? (Vick’s too risky for me at #1 overall) and then try to grab a decent RB at #24? Or do you just grab Foster and hope you can get that upside QB that hits?

  33. Brandon says:
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    Jeff – that is the same position that I am in. I am finding it difficult to take Rodgers over AP or Foster, but it may be the sound move. Anyone advice?

  34. Russell Flyer says:
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    Two TeamQB league, 12 teams, 6pts for TD pass, Non-PPR; Selecting #9… QB run happens early and often… thoughts at #9 if draft goes like this?

    1) AP
    2) CJ
    3) Vick
    4) Rogers
    5) Foster
    6) Brees
    7) Brady
    8) Rivers
    9) ??

    Ray Rice? Peyton Manning (team QB for Indy until he gets back)? Romo? Matty Ice? Any input is appreciated. Thanks guys -

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