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During last night’s live thread, I queried: Which Michael Vick would show up? The “watch me earn salary I’m going to do nothing to justify” Vick, or the “I’m going to trigger my disability insurance” Vick. Turns out, it was a little bit of both. I mean, let’s be honest, you can take Michael Vick out of the Jets, but can you really take the Jets out of Michael Vick? While the Ravens 2015 season is still on life-support with a resoundingly dull win in overtime (special thanks to Josh Scobee for doing his best Josh Scobee impersonation, missing like 80 field goals, and all of them in the fourth quarter), it was nice to see Justin Forsett is actually alive and quite well. I had assumed he was legally declared dead, but the gaining of positive yardage was enough evidence to change my opinion on that matter. Despite all of that, watching Scobee slowly (or quickly, depending on how you viewed the game) get into the unemployment line combined with Vick’s underwhelming performance, along with Joe Flacco’s elite everything, all topped off with the worst decision-making by coaches in a long time… well, I’m going to go ahead and call last nights game “Physically Impossible”. Because it sucked and blowed at the same time…

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Le’Veon Bell – 22 CAR, 129 YDS, 1 TD. I think society is very fortunate that Le’Veon Bell found football…

Sammie Coates – 1 REC, 11 YDS. You’re not Antonio Brown, as*hole.

Joe Flacco – 20/33, 189 YDS, 1 TD, 1 INT and 3 CAR, o YDS, 1 FUM. Flacco is a difference maker, I’m sure. That 120.6 million dollar contract just keeps looking better and better. Like an fine elite wine, it only gets better with time.

Justin Forsett – 27 CAR, 150 YDS. While having the game go into overtime helped his overall stats, it’s always a good sign as a running back if you have a 5.55 YPC in a game. No touchdowns, but I’m not sure the Ravens are capable of such a thing on most occasions, still, certainly a great indicator of things to come. (Hopefully.)

Darrius Heyward-Bey – 4 REC, 31 YDS, 1 TD. When the hell did Heyward-Bey learn to catch? I’m astounded. Perhaps this is not your older brother’s Darrius Heyward-Bey

Steve Smith Sr. – 4 REC, 24 YDS. When he retires, I hope Steve Smith becomes an announcer. “Well Jim, if you look at this play, YOU’LL SEE A P*SSY ASS B*TCH bite on the screen and open up that MOTHERF*CKING LANE.” He was bothered by a back contusion and did not return after leaving in the third quarter. Kamar Aiken (5 REC, 77 YDS, 1 TD) recieved the bulk of Flacco’s eliteness, but I’ve been raised to never trust an Aiken. But if Smith is limited or out for any amount of time, there are literally zero receivers left on this roster.

Michael Vick – 19/26, 124 YDS, 1 TD and 9 CAR, 33 YDS. It appeard for most of the night, Todd Haley’s game plan was: Not enough time to learn the playbook? Let’s make sh*t up. So not really different from any other night. I bet RGIII was watching last night’s game though, drawing inspiration from Vick like an Italian watching a Rocky movie.

Maxx Williams – 2 REC, 17 YDS. You could say he powered it to his… Maxx. (Imagine how good that joke could have been if he actually did something last night…)

 

Final Thought

My reaction watching this game as well...

My reaction watching this game as well…

 

  1. JBagKY says:
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    Need to start 2 of CJ Anderson, Woodhead, Freeman, or Matt Jones (0.5 PPR league)? Also, Brian Quick is available on the FA list, would you drop Andre Johnson for him? Thanks!

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @JBagKY: I think Freeman and Anderson are your guys. And I’d hold one more week.

  2. mikevickwho? says:
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    wow looks like i’ll be trading for andy dalton after vicks debut… what would you give up to get dalton to a guy who already owns tom brady— rueben randle or djax fair i wonder? i’m sure im losing the deal but i cant roll with vick he looked pretty bad last night (in my opinion)

    couple more trades to run by you:
    first, thanks for nudging me into a forsett start
    second, in a keeper league where you can only keep 2 players with a 3 year keep maximum (in year one of the league) would you deal
    1) $1 james jones for $16 todd gurley
    or
    2) james jones and pierre garcon for todd gurly alfred morris

    team im trading to very wr hungry as larry fitz, andre johnson, colston their 3 best wr…

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @mikevickwho?: Yeah, I think that’s okay considering what you’re dealing with.

      16 seems like a high price to pay on a keeper. I actually think that Jones might stick with GB, which makes that value soar for at least one more year.

  3. Zandy says:
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    Thanks jay for the help yesterday
    Following up

    Std league
    Rivers
    Demaryius Julio
    Foster Gore
    Flex: Jstew
    Delanie
    bench: ARob, Jbrown, Dion Lewis, Matt jones, bilal, taliaferro, Dunbar, cook (te bye fill in)

    Received offer of my Foster for his Ivory and Evans or Hilton?
    I assume staying pat and starting Foster and ARob is better than ivory and Hilton?

    He also has Jamal Charles… Is there a charles counter that makes sense? Foster + Jstew + ARob?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Zandy: Ah yeah, saw this, I said Evans I think, but Hilton is available? I’d rather have Hilton unless it’s a keeper league. Hilton might be the better flex option.

      If Charles is available, I’d focus there. And I’d do that, Foster and Stew and Rob for him.

      • Zandy says:
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        @Jay: So Hilton is avail. Would you rather keep Foster and send Gore for Hilton and Ivory?

        Charles is available but it would have to be sending Foster, Jstew, Demaryius for Charles, Hilton…. thoughts?

        • Jay

          Jay says:
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          @Zandy: I would love to send Gore for those two. I like the second deal too. Your lineup would be Julio, Hilton, Charles, Gore, and you could flex based on your matchup… I’m okay with this. Depends how much you like it.

          • Zandy says:
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            @Jay: thanks man! he backed off and didnt want to go thru with those moves so sent Foster for Hilton, Ivory and Kyle Rudolph….

            Now working on Gore, ARob, Delanie for Lacy….. haha will keep you updated

            • Jay

              Jay says:
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              @Zandy: I like that deal for you a lot though. Good job!

  4. Sam says:
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    Word on the street is Christine Michael is getting first team reps… he have more long term upside than Tre Mason??

    • Zandy says:
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      @Sam: tagging along – what does this mean for Randle owners?

      • Jay

        Jay says:
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        @Zandy: I wouldn’t be concerned. They just need more options to run with Weeden at QB.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Sam: I don’t think so. I think they’re just prepping him to take some snaps for short yardage.

    • RotoLance

      RotoLance says:
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      @Sam: And last I heard all the RBs got first team reps. It’s not a bad development though, as far as Christine Michael is concerned.

      • Sam says:
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        @RotoLance:
        RotoLance — did not know that.

        Jay & RotoLance — if hes getting shots at the goalline, does that not put his value over Mason’s? My thoughts being that Mason is already not built for goalline work, and his role will be reduced as Gurley gets up to speed. Michael, too, is in a good position in Dallas given the strength of the O-line and the comparative upsdies of his competition (who really sees Randle or Dunbar as a lasting star?) whereas Mason is undoubtedly overmatched by Gurley’s talent, no?

        • RotoLance

          RotoLance says:
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          @Sam: I was unaware of the short yardage thing, so I’ll let Jay speak to that.

          Mason is _probably_ overmatched by Gurley’s talent. Remember Gurley is the best RB to come out of the draft since… Trent Richardson. Which is to say highly touted RBs sometimes fail to meet expectations.

          If you are looking to decide between Michael and Mason, I think Michael has to be considered to have the higher ceiling of the two. He’s the better player to stash, but I don’t think its’ by a long shot. If you are actually going to rely on one of them right now, well that’s not good, but then I think it’d have to be Mason.

          In my 12 team leagues I’m fairly sure Michael was snatched up right away but I’m looking to grab him, possibly next week, in my 10 teamer.

          • Sam says:
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            @RotoLance: Thanks RL, ya I was getting at stash/upside.

            In terms of whether I’d need to play either.. I doubt it; I have Hyde, Gordon, Yeldon and Gurley for my RB/RB/Flex slots. With Ryan Matthews (picked up when he was dropped, hoping he could be a decent trade chip) and Ajayi IR’d.. so my roster slot for Mason might as well be usedon someone with higher upside.

            That being the case is Michael’s upside greater than Langford (I like his situation in dynasty givwen Forte’s age and contract status), Charles Simms or Montee Ball (hoping he gets signed by the Pats to complicate that backfield even more)?

            • RotoLance

              RotoLance says:
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              @Sam: I can’t envision a scenario where the Pats would want Ball.

              I’m not very knowledgable about dynasty but my 2 cents: With the chances Michael had to carve out at least some kind of role in Seattle — basically I’m referring to the fact that he couldn’t beat out Turbin — I’d be higher on Langford right now from dynasty outlook. Langford probably > Sims too.

              • Sam says:
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                @RotoLance: Thanks, RL!

        • Jay

          Jay says:
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          @Sam: I don’t think he’ll get that many shots. There are still four RB’s there, one of which that will get a majority of stats.

  5. Clint says:
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    I watched this continuing to wonder how Steeler fans continue to delude themselves into thinking their team is beyond awesome. Despite all the turnovers, losing the only WR he had (and not having his best TE going into it), the offensive line looking..well, offensive, most of the game, and Forsett not waking up the running game until the 3rd quarter, Flacco still managed to lead the Ravens back to a win over these chumps. I’m glad Bell had a nice game & Brown didn’t due to my fantasy consequences but if I were a Steeler fan, I’d be more worried than Cowboys fans around here are right now.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Clint: I think Steeler fans can delude with the best of them!

    • Aubrey Plaza's Pillow says:
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      @Clint: this was simply awful play calling + scobee missing kicks actually proficient kickers make well over 60% of the time. And he had to miss 2 of those to lose this game. PIT likely lost this game about 4 or so times. Wacco for Flacco attempted 4 TO’s at least by himself.

  6. RotoLance

    RotoLance says:
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    Jay, you see this yet?

    From Ian Rappaport :The #Colts signed QB Josh Johnson today, they announced. If Andrew Luck can’t go Sunday, they now have a backup.”

    So they signed a 3rd QB in case Luck can’t go Sunday. Sounds like there is a reasonable chance Luck won’t play.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @RotoLance: I’m slightly concerned, though Luck’s fourth quarter numbers last game were pretty darn good.

  7. Jack says:
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    OK to drop Jordan Cameron for Antonio Gates? (already made the mistake of starting Maxx Williams last night)

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Jack: Sure. And a lot of people did. I had him ranked 17th I think, but TE’s are hard to come by at the moment.

  8. JohnnyBeGood says:
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    Jay, need a solid Week 4 Streamin’ Defense….options are: Miami, Bengals, Raiders, Colts,

  9. G says:
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    Hey Jay,

    Need your advice again. Trying to decide how to fill my WR3, Rb2, and flex spots. It’s a ppr league. The options are Ellington, Ryan Mathews, Crowell, Morris, Hurns, mike Wallace, and Ginn. Ellington and Hrns are listed as questionable but just saw update that Ellington will play. I liked Hurns and Ginns matchup. Was likely benching Morris and Wallace. Thanks for your input.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @G: Sure thing! Some of these are game time decisions with Ellington and Mathews, but I think your best bets are Ellington, Mathews and Morris.

      I’ll be updating these rankings tomorrow, so be sure to ask again if you’re around.

  10. Wacha wacha says:
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    Who should I start in op slot this week?

    Gore, J Randle, a Robinson, R fitzpatrick and possibly Jay cutler are my options

    Thanks

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Wacha wacha: Gore seems interesting. Randle is really close though. If Cutler is back, probably him though.

  11. Ryan says:
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    10 team ppr. I just got offered Rodgers Jordan matthews and Forte for Gronk Hyde Robinson and Palmer. On paper it looks solid but I have a gut feeling I should pass. Does this trade fit my team

    qb carson palmer
    wr allen robinson
    wr mike evans
    rb marshawn lynch
    rb lamar miller
    te rob gronkowski
    w/r/t jarvis landry
    k cody parkey

    def cardinals

    bn ameer abdullah
    bn carlos hyde
    bn larry fitzgerald
    bn lesean mccoy
    bn tyler eifert

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Ryan: I like the Rodgers part, but I think everything else weakens your depth. I’d say stick with what you have right now.

  12. Filkarri says:
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    Go with Allen Robinson over Moncrief if Luck is a no go on Sunday?

  13. Green tractor says:
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    Hey Jay!

    I was just offered this trade, hit accept or no.

    I send Gore, I get Andrew Luck.

    Thing is I kinda need Gore

    My RBs: hill, gore, Lamar miller, Martin, Matt jones & Antonio Andrews

    My QB is Palmer with Tannehill as my backup.

    Counter my Gore + Tannehill

    For his Luck + whichever you’d prefer (steve Johnson, Blount, steve smith, vereen, Vincent Jackson, ebron, )

    Or just completely hold

    My RBs mentioned above

    My Wrs Demaryius, Alshon(out week 4), cooks, Marvin jones, hankerson, john brown, Terrence Williams.

    My TEs : Owen Daniels & stashing gates for next week (Daniels faces raiders next week look at that trend)

    His TE’s are Graham/ ebron / Cameron
    He has Edelman too

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Green tractor: Yeah, with Palmer, you need Gore. Hold. If you do counter, try to get Luck and Blount and hope that Miller does something. Honestly, just tell him honestly that you want to wait and see what Luck’s injury is to buy you more time until next week.

  14. Dave says:
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    Would you sell high and trade Carlos Hyde for Allen Robinson? (PPR) My current RB’s are Lacy, Hyde, Dion Lewis, Tevin Coleman. Current WR’s are Calvin Johnson, Amari Cooper, Brandin Cooks, and Garcon. (We start 3 WR’s and flex)

    Problem is if I do this trade I’d need an RB2 for this week from the waiver wire out of Ryan Mathews, CJ Spiller, David Johnson, or like Duke Johnson.

    What do you think? And thanks!

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Dave: I’d hold then based on that.

  15. Butterfield says:
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    What do you think of Moncrief for Gio?

    Would you rank him as an RB2 above Woodhead, Dunbar, and D. Johnson (0.25 ppr + returns)?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Butterfield: I’d put Gio behind Woodhead but ahead of everyone else. I like Moncrief a little bit more right now though.

  16. JohnnyBeGood says:
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    in PPR, R Woods, N Agholor or Shorts ?

  17. J-FOH says:
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    I have grown to really love your editor notes….this is my favorite so far!

    Jay’s Note: HE WANTS TO MOVE THEM TO L.A.. TRAITOR!

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @J-FOH: haha, it’s literally me just reading the post and typing up shit I’m thinking.

  18. Scott says:
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    I streamed Maxx this week. Thank goodness for Justin Tucker…

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Scott: Yeah… that was not cool of Maxx.

  19. Scott says:
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    Are you sure that picture isn’t just Ben trying to count to 3 in his head?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Scott: Haha, why not both?

  20. Butterfield says:
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    Should I drop one of D. Parker, C. Johnson, R. Randle, or Helu for Quick?

    • SwaggerJackers says:
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      @Butterfield: You should not drop Calvin Johnson.

      Helu is pretty worthless though.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Butterfield: Either Johnson or Helu is fine for Quick, depending on what your depth looks like. Leaning Helu for me.

  21. Clyde Prompto says:
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    Hi, Jay. Would you rate Mariota as a top-12 QB ROS?

    • I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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      @Clyde Prompto: probably just outside that.

  22. SwaggerJackers says:
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    @Jay: Please pick two receivers to stash on the bench:

    DeSean, Agholor, Charles Johnson, and Brian Quick.

    Thanks buddy!

  23. I got $100 for groceries, $1400 for liquor, and $6,000 for you to bail a couple of shit puppets out of jail says:
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    with allen likely playing now you still have fleener that high? I sort of remember that neither him nor allen were ranked this high when both play. Also, the luck being out could hurt or help him, if that happens. i have green, but since he plays late day game, if i waited past early games i’d have to go with owen sunny D daniels, or rico rodgers, both have late day games as well if he’s ruled out. I think concussions are sometimes ruled out more than slightly before gametime, but of course he could have another one quite easily (all of this is good for gates really soon here, and you, and me in about 5 leagues)

  24. Nick says:
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    Hey bud, I’m down 15-36 against the 1st place (were both 2-1 but my total points are less) & only girl in a 10-team league! she had L Bell & Forsett go for 36 & I had Tucker do work for 15.

    1) Do I start DeMarco at flex if he starts, or go with Marvin Jones at flex?

    I have AP & J Randle at RB1/2 & Ty/Cooper/Garcon in WR1/2/3. Bennet at TE.
    Bench inclues Tre, J Bell, Hankerson & M Jones (J Thomas/T Taylor also stashed on bench)

    2) Start Peyton against the Vikings or get cute & start T Taylor?

    Opponent has Brady/Edelman on bye so her starters remaining include Cobb, Witten, Carr, T Benjamin, Royal, Jennings & Houston D, I think I should be able to comeback. I have STL defense to boot.

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Nick: Jones. I think Peyton is better here. It’s a tough match man, good luck!

  25. Nick says:
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    Also would you drop J Thomas (I start Bennett atm) for Gates since Thomas ruled out most likely through week 5 & Gates back week 5? Also on waivers are D Allen, Fleener, R Rogers, Ebron, V Davis, Daniels in my 10 team league.

    Thinking Gates due to his history with Rivers however he is 35 while Thomas is 27 but in new offense that is not very good…J Thomas was a beast albeit with Peyton at the helm & not coming back from injury…

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Nick: I’m fine with that. Gates first game, I’m buying him everywhere.

      • Nick says:
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        @Jay: Hey Jay, I forgot to mention, Rudolph is on waivers…I already grabbed Gates, but would you rather have Rudolph as backup for M Bennett going forward or wait & see what Gates provides upon return…?

        • Jay

          Jay says:
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          @Nick: Not a huge Rudolph guy.

        • Joey Jo Jo Jr Shabadoo says:
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          @Nick: nice league if you can wait till gates plays before adding him. if i didn’t draft him or grab him about a week ago he’s gone in every one of mine.

  26. Nick says:
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    & lastly, are A Andrews, D Johnson Jr, Blue, Vereen, C Michael or Dunbar (J Randle owner) an upgrade over Tre Mason & Joique Bell who are riding my bench?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Nick: I’d take Vereen over Bell if it’s a PPR league.

      • Nick says:
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        @Jay: non-ppr…so you would hold Joique (hurt and Ameer looks like he will take the Lions lead RB role) & Tre Mason over Andrews, Vereen, etc?

        • Jay

          Jay says:
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          @Nick: Yes, I still think Bell has value this year as solid depth. Ameer just doesn’t have the body for ground and pound.

  27. Dom B says:
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    Hey would you trade Keenan Allen for CJ Anderson.

    My Roster
    QB Phillip Rivers
    RB Leveon Bell
    RB Latavius Murray
    WR Julio Jones
    WR AJ Green
    TE Jason Witten
    Flex Steve Smith
    Bench
    QB Eli Manning
    RB Jonathan Stewart
    RB Gio Bernard
    WR Keenan Allen
    WR John Brown
    TE Crockett Gilmore

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Dom B: Based on your team, I’d hold and plug him in the flex while Smith is out.

  28. Dom B says:
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    QB start Phillip Rivers or Eli Manning

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Dom B: Rivers still.

  29. Chicken Dinner says:
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    Seriously considering starting Rawls over Hill this week. Am I crazy or a [email protected]%#ing genius?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Chicken Dinner: Might be microing a little bit, but from what I read on Lynch just now… it’s not super crazy. Still liking Hill by a margin though.

  30. Butterfield says:
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    K. Allen and Moncrief for AJ Green?

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Butterfield: If you find one of these guys on your bench every week, then yes, I’d do it.

  31. Mookiewilson says:
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    Drop Matt Jones for Desean Jackson or Eric decker?
    Current RBs
    Bell
    Yeldon
    Blount
    Miller
    Jones

    Current WRs
    Alshon
    Amari cooper
    Golden tate
    Garçon

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Mookiewilson: Hold. At this point, drop Garcon for Jackson.

  32. The Mizer says:
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    Quandry for week 4 (Half PPR 10tm)
    Tyrod T.
    Adrian P
    Frank G
    D Hopkins
    AJ Green
    Eifert
    Eagles
    McManus
    Big Ben
    A Abdullah
    Jeremy H
    Matt J
    J. Brown
    Danny Woodhead
    Allen Robinson
    Stevie J
    Would you drop any of the lesser bench for Z Ertz(Have a good feeling he heats up later this year) Also who to flex this week

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @The Mizer: I’d hold off on Ertz, and flex… I have no idea who you are staring. I’d assume you flex A-Rob in this case though.

  33. Dom B says:
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    Is there any need to hold on to Crockett Gilmore with Witten.

    Would you drop Crockett Gilmore for Andre Williams ESPN report says he might win starting job here is my roster

    QB Phillip Rivers
    RB Leveon Bell
    RB Latavius Murray
    WR Julio Jones
    WR AJ Green
    TE Jason Witten
    Flex Keenan Allen
    Bench
    QB ELI MANNING
    RB Jonathan Stewart
    WR Steve Smith
    WR JOHN BROWN
    RB GIO BERNARD
    TE CROCKETT GILMORE

    • Dom B says:
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      Do I keep Gilmore or add Isaiah Crowell or Andre Williams or Austin Seferian Jenkins

    • Jay

      Jay says:
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      @Dom B: I don’t think so. Add Williams over Gilmore. Rumors are he’s about to get more snaps.

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