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Well here we are, week 8 of fantasy football.  It seems like only two months ago this whole shin-dig started…I guess that isn’t much different than saying week 8.  But more to the point, many of us already know if we’re gonna be a near shoe-in for the playoffs, if we have a long road to climb but still in it or ground road kill.  Mom, why does my hamburger taste like Andre Johnson and Matthew Stafford?  Because your father didn’t want you and left!  Wow, shizz just got real there for a bit.  All this to say, 8 weeks in and we kinda know what a team is good at and – conversely – turrible at.  You don’t have to be Charles Barkley to call the Saints defense turrible though it helps.  The least amount of points NO has given up in a game so far is 24 to the Chargers who have been having issues of their own on the offensive side of the ball this year.  All this to say, Eric Decker won’t trip on the 45 yard line this week and should be good for a top 10 fantasy finish at WR.  And for those who think that would be bad for Demaryius Thomas owners, let me just remind you Josh Freeman dropped 420 yards on these same Saints just last weekend.  Trust me, Peyton Manning will find a way to give both wide receivers a good day.  Other than that, Christian Ponder has a nice matchup vs the Buccs and found a way into my top 12 while I have much less faith in Shonn Greene than the other experts and more faith than I should in Michael Bush.  And with that, we’re off to the races.  May your week 8 leave you in the playoff hunt or at least bring you satisfaction as you improve to 2-6 and ruin someone else’s life, pronto.


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  1. Scout says:
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    What do you think about Vereen? I have 2 waiver moves left, and byes aren’t an issue moving forward. I was thinking of using them on Vereen and Broyles. They;d be strictly benchers, with the thought of them gaining late-season value. I’m already doing it with Hillman and Pierce, but either could be cut fir these guys. Guess I need 2 of those 4.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      If you only have 2 moves left I wouldn’t make those the two

  2. Mike says:
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    Woulda drop Felix jones or Alex green to pick up Jennings?
    Standard league
    Thanks!

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Drop Felix

  3. Mike says:
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    One more…Torrey smith or Brandon Lloyd ROS?
    Standard league ….

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Pretty equal but I’d lean Torrey

  4. Nico says:
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    Would you trade sproles, Fitzgerald, and my backup te Greg Olsen for Julio Jones and Darren McFadden in a .5ppr?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Yeah do that

  5. Captain Kirk says:
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    @sky

    Well… i had the #1 waiver all year… used it last week on felix jones & then traded him for Steve Smith because I needed WR.

    Felt good about myself…. then my #1 pick RB… mr MJD goes down and the guy i’m playing this week uses his waiver to pick up rashad jennings and i starting him against me this week.

    That being said… I picked up Hardesty, Kendall Hunter, and Dwyer.

    In your opinion… do you think richardson plays this week… and if both richardson and the PIT running backs are out… who do you start

    Dwyer or Hardesty?

    I’m pretty much F***ed.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Ouch…I’d start Hardesty.

  6. Derrick says:
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    Doug Martin or Antonio Brown in the flex in a PPR?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      I’d go RB

  7. Ryan says:
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    Felix jones, Maclin,or Cobb for flex?
    Standard league
    Tough call

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Cobb

  8. Murph says:
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    You have the Roddy White Julio Jones ranks mixed up just saying…..

    I heard that there will possibly be terrible weather this weekend in Philly and the eagles might have their defense together after the castillo firing, Big Ben is starting to look like a better option I guess this one will come down to a game time decision.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Ha, if it is a blizzard I’m messed up on both!

      Yeah weather is hard to rank by. Brady and Rodgers have all had great snow days before

      • Murph says:
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        @Sky,

        Hurricane Sandy 25-50 MPH winds

        Yes I believe that was Brady in 2009 that threw for 400 yards and 6 TDs against the Titans in the snow something like 87% completion percentage crazy….Ryan is no Brady and has led a sheltered NFL career in the ATL dome haha

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          I’ve been so consumed by fantasy football, I haven’t kept up with current events of that nature (see what I did there? Yeah, I didn’t mean to).

          Agree that Ryan is no Brady but I’m pretty sure he finishes top 5 up near Brady for QBs on the year.

          If the weather breaks bad, I’ll have to adjust on the fantasypros site but until then it’s definitely a wait and see.

          • Murph says:
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            @Sky,

            Very clever but even with fantasy football it’s hard to imagine you don’t pay attention to the “Sky”

            Hard to sit Ryan and I agree he should finish near the top thanks for the good advice and I must say the rankings look right on point.

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              Ha!

              If I don’t have to sit Ryan, I can’t is my rule. Glad to help and thanks about the rankings!

  9. Adam says:
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    Who would you rather have ROS in a +1 PPR/+3 at 100 yds bonus — Vernon Davis or Owen Daniels? Davis is already complaining about the offensive coordinator, and hasn’t caught more than 5 balls in any game (not that he’s been unproductive overall…).

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Trust Vernon’s role more so I’d go with him

  10. Skizzy, I want to move Chris Johnson while his value is still high…which of these trades do you like best…both?:

    1. cj/cobb for mccoy/mike williams
    2. cj/cobb for turner/welker

    • @exactly, what about cj/cobb for gore/andre johnson?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      1 is the only one I’d want. Still not a big Turner guy.

    • Wilsonian says:
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      @exactly, I honestly don’t like either trade after hearing about Jennings going under the knife. Cobb just skyrocketed into WR2 territory for me (especially if you play in a return yardage league). I have him way above Mike Williams. And McCoy can’t seem to find the endzone. His numbers are good, but what if CJ is finally back? Then you basically swapped Cobb for Williams. I’d avoid any of those deals right now, IMHO.

  11. Dirtyd says:
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    8 team league so every team pretty deep. I need to drop someone for bye week replacement Def(keeping Hou on the bye). Can’t decide between Brandon Loyd Owen Daniels and Kenny Britt. Owen seems like easy choice but its a 2 flex league so Jared Cook is only startable te on waivers. I have Hernandez but worried about future injuries.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Tough…I’d probably go Lloyd then and hope you can pick him back up in short order.

  12. timmy riggins says:
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    Hi, hoping for your advice. 10 team, flex (wr/te/rb) .5ppr, 15 week season – NO PLAYOFFS

    WR – Megatron, Maclin, Sidney Rice/Avery
    RB – T-richardson, doug martin, ballard, pierre thomas
    TE – Hernandez, H.Miller

    1) would you trade Richardson for one of: Wallace, Colston, D.Thomas and J.Stewart? And in which order?
    2)Would you trade Hernandez for Austin Miles?
    3) would you do one or the other or both?

    Thanks

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      I’d only do #2.

      • timmy riggins says:
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        @Sky, think im selling-low? only 4-3 and might not be able to afford waiting for T-Rich to get healthy. what other suggestions could you make to improve my roster or is choice #2 it.

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          I think you presented a better trade option that doesn’t hurt your RB depth. Heath Miller should stay in the top 6 to 8 TE for the year. Might even stay top 5. You don’t need Aaron. That makes Austin your WR2 and Maclin your WR3 without losing RB depth. Makes the most sense if you want to stay competitive for the rest of the year.

          • timmy riggins says:
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            @Sky, why arent you higher on Hernandez this week in your rankings? Are you not high on him ROS?
            Also, would you rather acquire Turner (could allow me to trade richardson or could be a nice flex) or Austin for Hernandez?

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              Nothing to do with ROS, just have him a few spots lower than the other ‘perts for the week and Kyle/Vernon are higher. Nothing to be alarmed about, he’s still a start-worthy TE.

              I’ll always take an RB when I can.

              • timmy riggins says:
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                @Sky, if i grab turner for hernandez, would you still hold richardson despite all of his risks or would you make that trade for a WR&stewart. thanks

                • Sky

                  Sky says:
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                  If you want to trade T-Rich you can but I’m trying to tell you not to. If you need WR help, trade Hernandez for that rather than Turner. Every RB is a risk but an RB1 is worth the risk of holding onto.

                  • timmy riggins says:
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                    @Sky, i hear what youre saying about richardson being an RB1. just not sure i can afford to see if he plays (well) till his bye, he has a bye upcoming and that could be 3 weeks of moderate to no production. and I cant afford to lose many more games w/o playoffs. need the best record after week 15….. and if hes hurt later on he could be sidelined the rest of the year too…just weighing my options to accumulate the most pts possible for my weekly roster, position scarcity isnt as important at this stage to me….

                    • Sky

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                      Ok, so let’s put positional scarcity to the side. Who’s your RB2 ROS once you make that trade? You may not be worried about the position, per se, but are you really looking forward to 7 weeks of having to start at least one of J-Stew/Pierre Thomas/Vick Ballard? And Vick might not even be the starter after this week so your options could dwindle to just PT or J-Stew. If you want to accumulate the most points the rest of the way, forcing those guys into your line up on a daily basis for the next 7 weeks over waiting out T-Rich’s return in 3 doesn’t make much sense in my opinion.

                    • timmy riggins says:
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                      @Sky, my RB2 would be Turner or J-Stew

                    • timmy riggins says:
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                      @timmy riggins,

                      current team:
                      WR – Megatron, Maclin, Sidney Rice/Avery
                      RB – T-richardson, doug martin, ballard, pierre thomas
                      TE – Hernandez, H.Miller (flex)

                      after potential trades:
                      WR: megatron, Wallace, Maclin
                      RB – Martin, Turner
                      TE – Miller
                      Flex – ?

                      4-3 record

                    • timmy riggins says:
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                      @timmy riggins, flex would be J.Stew…

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      @timmy riggins, Personally wouldn’t do it but it’s your team.

                    • timmy riggins says:
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                      @Sky, Thanks again…having a disappointing season so far, sucks when the majority is underperforming…..calvin johnson, cam newton, richardson inj, amendola inj, hernandez inj (expected huge things)…..drafting a QB 2nd rd and TE 5th rd was too aggressive and missed out on taking 2 key players (RB/WR)

                    • Murph says:
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                      @timmy riggins,

                      With all the injuries you are sitting pretty good at 4-3, no need to panic as your players have a good chance to be healthy in the most important part of the season, playoffs. Injuries are part of the luck factor in this game. One thing to keep in mind is Cam Newton’s schedule it gets a lot easier I think you will start seeing better production as the Panthers work to gain an offensive identity. Don’t overthink it!!! its hard to look at your roster and see a bunch of injuries dont make moves that could cost you the season. Good luck this week.

                    • timmy riggins says:
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                      @Murph, Thanks. unfortunately, there isnt any playoffs, thats why each week is so crucial. The team with the best record after 15 weeks wins. So while, Richardson has the most upside as a RB1, hes still not established, coming off an injury, and could potentially cost me the next 3 weeks or so if not more if hes on my roster. instead of replacing him with immediate productivity.

                      and im very lucky to be 4-3

                    • Murph says:
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                      @timmy riggins,

                      Thats rough sorry I missed that…personally I would hold your team as is with Sky’s reccomendation of moving Hernandez for Austin. Just my personal opinon though.

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      I’m living it with ya (MJD/Alshon traded for, Kevin Kolb in two QB league after trading Fitz, and also Amendola). The bitter pill that is fantasy football

  13. Rich says:
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    14 team league, Starters: Brees, DeSean Jackson, Brandon Lloyd, Denarius Moore, Matt Forte, Shonn Greene, Jared Cook (practically no depth on bench). Looking to upgrade RB2, but Brees is hard to deal.

    Been offered Eli and Jamaal Charles for Brees/Andre Roberts. Eli still has a bye week, Brees doesn’t…Pull the trigger?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Tough but I’d do it.

  14. Liz says:
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    Would you trade Megatron & Spiller for AP?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Too much

  15. Thrilla says:
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    Sky,

    In a 12-Team H2H PPR League who do you start at RB…

    RB (2):
    J. Stewart
    M. Bush
    M. LeShoure
    W. Powell

    I’m really just curious what you think about J. Stewart and M. Bush this week… I havent seen either this high in a while (I know without Rice, SPiller, etc they all move up, etc)

    Play one of the above at RB/WR slot over B. Gibson?

    Also, I’m torn between Rudolph and M. Bennett? You lean one way or the other there?

    Thanks man.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Yeah, J. Stew was named ‘the guy’ in Carolina for this week so it’s a sink or swim moment. He was always a good pass-catcher for CAR, with the reps he should be a good flex play. Bush should get a TD opportunity or two but he’s a bit of a gamble. I’d go J. Stew over Gibson.

      I’d go Kyle

  16. BountyGate says:
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    With Brown possibly back in rotation this week would you go Stewart over Ballard or maybe drop Ballard for Brown?

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Would be surprised if Brown played. Play Stewart. I’d hold Ballard just in case he performs well. Might force the coaches hands to play him even when Brown comes back.

      • BountyGate says:
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        @Sky,

        According to your rankings Ballard is higher than Stewart. So who is the better start maybe its a coin flip? Seems like Ballard needs multiple carries to have any kind of value

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          I have him higher in PPR. For some reason I thought you had mentioned you were in a PPR league. If not, I’m fine with Ballard this week. Sorry for the confusion.

  17. Ryan says:
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    I own Ahmad Bradshaw….would u drop Alex green or Felix jones to pick upAndre brown
    Thanks!!

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Can drop Felix

  18. The Fridge says:
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    Sky – Need some help on a proposed trade. I give Colston and Bradshaw to receive Megatron….I’m obviously thin at WR but can probably afford to lose Bradshaw. Thoughts?

    QB Peyton Manning
    WR Marques Colston
    WR Kenny Britt
    WR Jeremy Kerley
    RB LeSean McCoy
    RB Ahmad Bradshaw
    TE Jimmy Graham
    BN Michael Crabtree
    BN Doug Martin
    BN Greg Jennings
    BS Alex Green

    • The Fridge says:
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      @The Fridge, Am I better off trying to move Jennings instead?

      • Sky

        Sky says:
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        I’m not huge on losing RB depth and Colston+Bradshaw is too much for Megatron. You’d be paying draft rate when he’s not even in the top 50 in yahoo. Just hold for now unless the Calvin Johnson owner would be willing to go two for two in which you’d get another RB.

        You won’t get much for Jennings right now.

        • The Fridge says:
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          @Sky, Thanks. Just reading the surgery news on Jennings….No bueno.

          • Sky

            Sky says:
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            Yeah, I’m just checking it as well. And here I was touting him a buy…

  19. Paulie Walnuts says:
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    Looking for some advice here (of course).

    pick 3: demarius, percy, bmarsh, romo

    pick 2: sjax, ballard, leshoure, rashad

    pick 1: ben or luck

    pick 1: Pats D or Seattle D

    Thanks brah.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      D.T./Percy/BMarsh

      Rashad/Ballard

      Big Ben

      Pats

      • Paulie Walnuts says:
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        @Sky, thanks.

        for the pick 3 above, it’s a 2 qb (or 1 qb and 1 OP player) league and the guy I’m playing has Witten. Maybe starting Romo would help offset Witten’s points or what do you think?

        • Sky

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          It could or you might miss out on major points from two WR1s and a WR2 facing the New Orleans defense. Plus Witten isn’t a huge TD guy so that would be your only concern if you’re trying to match points.

  20. iMP says:
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    Uggh. Jennings is going under the knife.

    With Foster/Murray/FJax/Felix and Nicks/Bowe/DMoore/LMoore/Jennings I made an offer of FJax and LMoore to get DMC in order to get week 8 and 9 bye week relief (create a roster spot for a backup TE in week 9, avoid RB 0 in week 8). Would you now consider Jennings cuttable and LMoore less expendable (3WR league) and recind the offer?

    • Sky

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      Yeah, just caught that. Ugh indeed…

      He may play again this year but I don’t think it’ll help you; he’s droppable now. The deal is still alright in my mind. Moore’s targets will reduce with a healthy Graham and a now healthy Colston. Plus WR bench players are easier to find/pick up. You’ll really only need one more for the year with Nicks anyways.

      • iMP says:
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        @Sky, Thanks for the reply. That is how I was seeing it too, but the deal already has enough risk that I was starting to second guess myself.

  21. Prezii says:
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    Im back! Not too many questions, just a couple.. first off in my fav league, i have a stable of backs and wrs. Starting morris (pit) and martin (min) as my rbs and have magahee in the flex.. with my rbs faced with tough matchups, would you consider plugging in leshoure, david wilson(retun yards) or felix jones for martin or morris? They are hard to sit but i do have ALRIGHT options. Probably overthinking it…

    Next.. start 4 wideouts, non PPR, julio jones, james jones, britt, ant brown, cruz… Britt gets the bench right? I just dont want to have him on the bench when he goes off.. and the match up is definitely “go-off-able”.. but hard to sit any of those guys now.. btw swooped ur boy ammy off FA after waivers cleared. I wake to hear hes practicing!! Talk about timing, but i doubt he plays sunday.

    Anywho, now that i just took up the whole razzball site, tell me im overthinking it and to stay put with my “studs”. Thanks sky!

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      LeShoure’s matchup vs Seattle isn’t much better. I think your first choice is the right choice.

      Yeah, Britt might go off but he’s the bench guy. You have an enviable situation there. Yeah, I dropped Amendola on most teams because of injuries this week…yay me! He’s probably not playing but I still like him ROS when he’s back.

      Ha, no problem! Ride your studs!

      • Prezii says:
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        @Sky, just needed a little kick in the balls after sum thursday panic… Thats why i come here, fellow ball-kicker…

        And ouch on droppin danny.. my buddy droppd him too and hes sending me every offer he can to get him back. “I knew i shouldnt have dropped him” is something i heard all day yesterday.. haha i doubt he plays either but britt and ammy look pretty good as my bench depth.

        I almost forgot.. detroit D or Minn D?

        • Sky

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          When a Roshambo is needed, I am there…

          Yeah, I hated doing it but when you have MJD & Kevin Kolb (2QB league) with only Tannehill backing him up, I had to make some kind of choice and apparently it was the wrong one…

          Have to go Minn. TB isn’t as good as their numbers over the last couple of weeks and the Seahawks aren’t as bad as the numbers from the SF game would suggest. Was truly disgusted with Golden Tate in that game being from the NW. Some easy passes just outright dropped and I think one would’ve had him going to the house.

          • Prezii says:
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            @Sky, yeah that sucks the big one but you had no other choice.. and who woulda thought he’d be ahead of schedule like he is..? But on a brighter note, thank ya sir. That is all for now! Enjoy ur day and good luck this week as always!

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              Ha, no prob and same to you!

  22. Principle Blackman says:
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    What are your thoughts on Danny Amendola’s possible return to action ahead of schedule?

    He is floating around on waivers in my 12-team, PPR, PPRush, Ret. Yardage league, but I have no idea who to drop for him (I’m currently in first place at 6-1). Here’s my roster as it stands tomorrow if the trade I just made does not get vetoed, which I don’t think it will.

    QB Stafford
    WR Harvin
    WR Calvin Johnson (I just got him for Bradshaw, straight-up)
    WR Cribbs (He is currently the 12th highest scoring WR in the league b/c of the return yards)
    RB Jamaal Charles
    RB Ryan Mathews
    TE Tony Gonzalez
    Q/W/R/T Carson Palmer
    BN Marshawn Lynch
    BN Rashad Jennings (I picked him up to cock-block the other 6-1 team)
    BN Greg Jennings
    BN Brandon Lloyd
    BN Denarius Moore

    It’s also an IDP league and I’m currently rostering an extra DL since I didn’t want to drop J.J. Watt just because he’s on his BYE. I figure I can either drop Moore or RJennings for Amendola, or I can wait it out and drop my extra defensive lineman after this week and just hope that Amendola doesn’t get snatched up by another owner in the meantime. What are your thoughts?
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    • Sky

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      Drop Greg Jennings: going to surgery. Not season ending but definitely a damper on his value ROS>

    • Prezii says:
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      @Principle Blackman, your league sounds pretty competitive so i wouldnt doubt ammy is gone by monday. But if ammy was out there when he was hurt you gotta think no one is going to touch greg jennings after surgery.. and its not like he set the world a blaze when he was on the field. Maybe drop jennings, pick up ammy, then next week drop your DL and get back jennings? Just a thought.. in a league like that you want danny more than jennings anyway, imo.

  23. iMP says:
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    Going to get Jennings “off my lap” to pick up my Week 9 bye replacement for VDavis. (I know, very exciting….ugh…). Have to admit that I have been completely ignoring TEs so far. Do you like Gresham at home vs. DEN or Olsen @ WAS better? PPR.

    • Sky

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      TEs are easy to ignore. I’d give Olsen a go.

      • iMP says:
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        @Sky, Scrolling above I realize I could think about using Jennings spot for Amendola. Is he a better bet than LMoore in PPR ROS? If not, I probably should just go the TE route as a WR will have to be dropped next week.

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          If Amendola is healthy, he’s better than LMoore because he’ll get more opportunities. If that trade goes through, you’ll have space to pick up another TE. I’d pick up Amendola.

  24. Lucas says:
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    Hi there, please pick two for ppr flexes: Doug Martin, dez, maclin, britt. Thanks!

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Martin/Dez

  25. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    WR3 – Heyward-Bey, Titus, Givens, A.Roberts, Wright?

  26. Rags says:
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    Would you do Gore, Britt and Romo for Colston and JStew?

    I have Doug Martin, Donald Brown and Mendenhall as my rbs and Megatron, Austin, Britt, Hartline, James Jones and Andrew Hawkins as WRs.

    I’m trying to sell high on Gore with his brutal upcoming schedule (and buy sneaky low on JStew), but is that even a sell high?

  27. Velocity_X says:
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    So I have Owen Daniels on bye and this morning I read that Aaron Hernandez isn’t playing Week 8.

    I’ll have to drop Andrew Hawkins to pick up a TE, but it’s looking grim on the wire. Who would you take out of: Marcedes Lewis, Benjamin Watson, Logan Paulsen, Rob Housler and Dwayne Allen?

    • Sky

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      Give Paulsen a shot.

  28. Brian says:
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    Getting trade offers for Cobb like crazy this week (normal keeper league + return yards)…Cobb was my 9th rounder

    My squad
    QB: T.Romo, J.Flacco
    RB: MJD, D.Sproles, A.Bradshaw, R.Mendenhall, F.Jones
    WR: L.Fitz, M.Wallace, R.Cobb, Torrey S.
    TE: Heath M., J.Gresham

    I’m thinking about dumping Cobb while his stock is hot; here are the offers I’ve had so far:
    Eli + Malcolm Floyd Romo + Cobb
    AJ Green (8th round keeper) + a scrub Cobb + a scrub

    Is Eli a big enough upgrade from Romo to justify that trade? Is AJ’s consistency worth cashing in on for Cobb’s hype right now? Or should I hold out for something better if Cobb has a big week this week?

    • Sky

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      Confused about that trade. Let me reiterate to verify:

      You get: Green/Eli/Floyd
      He gets: Romo/Cobb/Scrub/Scrub?

      Cobb is a WR2, if you can get AJ Green with a +1 round value for him, I think it’s great. Throw in Eli and it’s a complete win for you.

      • Brian says:
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        @Sky,

        Sorry, didn’t come through clearly. 2 trade offers (from different teams)

        1) I get Eli/Floyd for giving up Cobb/Romo
        2) I get Green/scrub for giving up Cobb/scrub

        I need to make a playoff run, and I’m not sure if Romo is the guy to get me there or not. But an 8th round AJ Green keeper is tough to resist…

        • Sky

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          Ah, gotcha. Eli is a good upgrade but you gotta go with #2 in a keeper. I agree you’ll want to work on your Romo Flacco situation but hard to not dive in on Green.

          • Brian says:
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            @Sky,

            Yeah that’s the way I was leaning, too. I’d love to see what Cobb does this week but I think the Green offer might be off the table once the Bengals are off the bye week, so the time to trade him is now. You do agree that I should trade him though?

            • Sky

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              I love him but Green is establishing himself as a top 3 WR and he’s not exactly old (24 vs 22 for Cobb). No reason not to take a known talent rather than holding onto the what if, especially when we know their round values aren’t that much different. Smart short term and long term, IMHO.

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