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So I need to air something with you here from the get go: this was waaaaayyyy too early to be drafting.  We held this on July 10th which is a good two months from real kick-off.  I highly encourage you to never get that far from the start of the season.  Too much can happen between now and game one of the year.  We don’t know who’s hobbled other than guys with off-season surgery.  I mean, first pre-season snap hasn’t even been made and we’re out here drafting like we know what’s what and in a deep league, no less.  And yes, this is a deep league to an extent.  It’s one thing to have 14 teams, it’s entirely another to have the standard set up plus 3 flex positions on top of them in said 14 team.  Oh and one of the flex spots has a QB just to add to the fun.  But enough of the blather, here’s my team for Scott Pianowski’s ‘American League’ 14 team $200 Auction draft for 2013 Fantasy Football…

Team Razzball
Pick Position Player Cost
97 QB Ryan Tannehill $12
38 WR Demaryius Thomas $32
28 WR Danny Amendola $19
181 WR Rueben Randle $2
17 RB Trent Richardson $41
56 RB Chris Ivory $21
87 TE Dennis Pitta $10
96 W/R/T Rashard Mendenhall $13
138 W/R/T Andre Brown $12
171 Q/W/R/T Daryl Richardson $6
K Empty
DEF Empty
Bench
141 RB Giovani Bernard $8
163 QB Brandon Weeden $6
174 QB Kevin Kolb $1
187 WR Ryan Broyles $6
199 WR Julian Edelman $3
208 RB Joseph Randle $1
Unused = $7

So I’m sure you’ve already noticed something strange about my roster.  Even though this league has team defense and – ugh – kickers, I didn’t fill either position during the draft.  I was a tad surprised to find I was the only person to do this.  Remember how I said it was too early to be drafting?  Well if its too early to draft then why the Tobias Funke would I pick something up that is more of a weekly play anyway?  If all kickers go for $1, then where’s the value in drafting them at this point?  You know you’re going to drop them when your bye week comes up.  Same goes with defense.  It’s a streamable position unless you’re willing to spend more then a buck on them.  Someone spent $5 on the Cards defense. I spent $6 on Ryan Broyles.  I think my waiver options when the day comes will be more fruitful.  The second thing you might notice is my QB situation.  I swear to you that wasn’t intentional to be with Tannehill as my QB1 but people went nuts in this draft with the QB position.  I hold firm to the belief of not spending more then $20 for any one QB.  I don’t care there’s a QB flex spot, I’m not going to get into a bidding war for Tony Romo’s services and get stuck with the $31 check at the end (plus tax).  It went a little crazy for the QB to say the least.  Once I saw Eli Manning go for $23, I saw the writing on the wall that I had to change course and go upside/conservative with my QB position and I took that opportunity to bulk up elsewhere.  Even mid-draft people were complaining about their RB depth.  Well, everyone except me.  I got a lot of guys I wanted at the RB position – excluding Rashard but hey he’s a starter – and if I feel a need to upgrade at QB, I think I have depth in the right place to trade from.  I’m also pleased with my WRs even without having drafted a ‘bona fide’ WR3.  The WR position always has that nice surprise in season.  I’m hoping I either drafted it with my combo of Rueben/Julian/Broyles or it’s still out there waiting for me to find him.  That said, if I have one lone regret it’s not getting Danario Alexander when he went for $12 but auction drafts create situational issues.  DX came up 10 picks after I’d spent $25 total on Rashard & Tannehill and I was feeling a bit light in the pocket.  That unused $7 coupled with spending $6 on Broyles hurts a little, admittedly, but I digress.  Basically, when dealing with deeper rosters, you have to make a decision where you’re willing to go dicey.  Me, I want RB depth in a league like this and reasonable production from my QB/WR3 and that’s how I drafted.  You have to make sacrifices here and there to fill your team and I made the ones I felt comfortable with.  All in all, I like what I came up with and feel confident this team will be competitive this year.  Oh and if DeMarco Murray goes down in preseason…well, I’ll just say I’m happy I spent a buck on Joseph Randle and not Rob Bironas.

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  1. LT says:
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    Fantasy football draft results during the mlb allstar week is a little early I agree. When looking at rankings, they all are for ppr. Any rankings coming without or should I just do the math from the projections and subtract accordingly? Also who plays more snaps this year, amendola or Edelman?!

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      I’ll be putting out overall rankings next week and hopefully the auction values associated (that one might stay PPR, sorry about that).

      Amendola. His injuries have been fluky not nagging. That said, they might put Edelman in the slot more and Amendola wide. Danny’s a lot more versatile then Welker was.

  2. Mike says:
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    You drafted Edelman and R. Randle for 3 and 2 dollars. Was Chris Givens available and what price did he go at and which two do you like the best

  3. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    This shows me how into baseball I am right now, I have read all your rankings and have retained nothing, absolutely nothing. I suck!

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Haha, there’s still plenty of time to re-orientate yourself. But if you’re still like this in mid to late August, you’re unteachable!

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Sky: yes professor Sky, I will do my homework

        • Sky

          Sky says:
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          Think of it as casual summer reading. Might make you put down 50 Shades of Grey for a bit, though

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            @Sky: but it makes me get the tingles all over

            • Sky

              Sky says:
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              Ha, can’t remember: have you heard the Gilbert Godfried parody audio book read of it?

              • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                @Sky: nope, should I?

                I saw on Twitter you are all geeked up about the new tool album

                • Sky

                  Sky says:
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                  Yeah YouTube it. Pretty hilarious.

                  Fuck yes on Tool. Top 5 band for me. All of them are amazing musicians. Lateralus didn’t leave my CD player for about a month.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: one of my closest friends is quite the tool fan, he has the logo tattooed on the back of his neck, it works on lots of levels for him…but not how you would think. funny story, back in like 96-ish we walk into his room to find the lyrics to every tool song all over his walls like wallpaper. early days of the net and the things we would find. I saw them in 1993, they were really rad that day

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Would love to see them live. I’ve heard they’re amazing live.

                      I really got into them with Aenima; not that Undertow was a bad album but I like how they grew as musicians from Aenima on. But of course, I listen to Yes so I don’t mind a 7-10 minute song which is pretty much every single Tool has ever put out. Plus Adam Jones is a great visual artist as well. Wish they still made videos. Oh and Danny Carey? That is the real man behind Tools sound. They’d still be good without him but they’re nothing close to what they’ve become. No Ringo drumming there!

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: ringo, is he that guy that drums for the most over rated band ever or is that don henley?

                    they progressed very well, but there is something to be said about the first you hear them, regardless of album. I still don’t know what genre to put them in. I love the Live version of No Quarter….I’m just rambling at this point, Live was cool, they had to follow Rage when Rage was wow, but still held their own, I can see it like yesterday, stomping around in a pit all sweaty and stuff hearing Tool

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Ah jeez, did you just call the Beatles overrated? UNSUBBED! Love the Beatles. Eagles I never understood and never will, though.

                      Tool is such a complete band it’s scary. It’s like a super group without having the pretentiousness of being a super group. There’s no stragglers there, all great musicians in their own way but I will say this: without Danny Carey that band stagnates.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: Yup I sure did, now don’t get me wrong, they aren’t a bad band, but the worship and praise they get is over the top. And like many bands, their best songs are the ones you never hear. Funny thing about the Eagles, hate the band, love the Joe Walsh

                    • Sky

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                      I think when it comes to overrated/underrated, I prefer to listen to influence. Beatles are pretty much everywhere you turn, musically. Sure, there are some bands who give lip service to the notion that they were influenced by the Beatles but we don’t have Nirvana without them and if we do, it’s just the AC/DC side and not the melodic side. If we’re talking overrated bands, I never understood The Rolling Stones. They never felt like a creative force to me. Don’t hate them but never got the ‘these guys did some amazing work’ concept about them.

                      Have nothing against Walsh though admittedly not a huge fan either. Good musician but never got into him.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: here is the thing with the Stones, whom I love a lot, not the greatest band musically, but what they do in feel makes up for what they lack in music. A surprisingly diverse catalog, especially in the Brian Jones days, but are really varying blues songs with a modern twist, modern for the 60’s. I have always viewed music as a state of mind, an attitude you may say, and thats what they do, they have the ability to put you in lot’s of different places.

                    Now with the Beatles, I hate to drop this bomb, but they were not the first band to ever use harmonies, and I know that’s what Kurt listened to, so we make that connection, but if it wasn’t them it would of been someone else. I really think they get too much love for what they do, when so many others of that era did it better or just as good.

                    When it comes to a genre that I know a lot about, “punk” , people talk about the Ramones way way way too much. It’s like I get it, they are from New York which makes them better than the others…..Bullshit, place has nothing to do with any of this, but it does when it comes to perception, and thats what drives me a little nutty.

                    One of my all time favorite bands is Steely Dan….think on that for a minute

                    • Sky

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                      See, there’s where we’re gonna have a schism. I listen to music for the musicianship first. The feeling I get starts there so noting they’re not a great band musically points out exactly why I can’t get into them.

                      Oh don’t go baiting me with the ‘not the first to use harmonies’ BS, Mr. Hate. You could say the same about any band when you say ‘it could’ve been someone else’. AIC could’ve been someone else. The key thing is it was not; there were a lot of good bands that came out during the Beatles time who didn’t try and change the way we view music. If the Beatles never were, we’d probably see more Beach Boys influences – or admittance to influence – then we do nowadays. I’d like to know who ‘did it better or just as good’ from their time. Keep in mind I’m not a casual fan boy of them. I don’t own their earlier stuff because – even though it was unique in it’s use of irregular bars for it’s day – it’s still pretty straight forward pop music and not THAT much better then a 90’s boy band. Pretty boys up on stage makes 12-14 year old girls moist in the panties and screaming their damn fool heads off.

                      Ramones I never got into. It makes sense punk is a genre you’re big into…being a punk yourself! I keed, what I was really going to say was it makes sense because you started off talking about the Stones saying ‘viewed music as a state of mind, an attitude in a way’. Punk was a culture that coincided with a music.

                      Ugh, NY…don’t get me started. Can’t stand The Strokes. Never understood how they got so big. Must be a NY thing. Though here’s one of the funniest/most enjoyable NY bands I’ve heard in recent memory. Talk about attitude:

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YTrXVSjsSI

                      Admittedly haven’t heard much of the Steely Dan catalog other than the usual radio fare so I can’t input anything on that front.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: by me not being a musician, I can only go so far in this, so I go back to what sounds good, don’t get me wrong, i can spot things, just not everything.

                    I see you are reffering to the later Beatles work, surprisingly the stuff I do like are the mid to late years. Funny you bring up the Beach Boys, great harmonies and a huge influence on the Beatles when it came time to make Sgt. Peppers. When it comes to that era I love me some Cream, the Doors, you know all the staples, but what really amazes me are all the really unique I hitter quitters from that era that brought some crazy good stuff, similar to what I showed you already with Love, the BLue Magoos, here are the 13th Floor Elevators, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47SI1FddVqY
                    allegedly the band that came up with the term Psychadelic Rock. There is a doc on Netflix about the singer

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Totally no need to be a musician to talk music with me. I completely respect other people who say they like ‘x’ and give me a why. I just hate people who tell me ‘this is great music to me’ and I ask why and they say ‘I don’t know, it just makes me wanna dance’. That means I could put anything in 4/4 time in front of you and it’s great music. Grey and I have very little musical bleed over because he’s a really big story/word guy. Music is usually a gut reaction and it’s triggered by something in it. Whether it’s how a word gets phrased, the guitar work, the story, something has to make a connection with you to make it something that you feel rather than hear.

                      Yeah, the British invasion brought in so many bands and the Beatles were just one of them that happened to get famous. But they became really good musicians over time. Everyone remembers The Kinks, Beatles, Rolling Stones, The Who but what they don’t realize is they remember them for what they did after the fandom stopped and they started becoming musicians of their own accord. No one talks about Herman’s Hermits much anymore. Not saying they’re a bad band but at the same time, envelope never really got pushed there.

                      13th Floor Elevators are interesting. Love that surfer rock guitar tone. So they coined the phrase but weren’t calling themselves psychadelic rock, right? I’ll have to catch the documentary, sounds interesting.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: the documentary is strange, dude is messed up, I haven’t finished it yet.

                    I love the British Invasion. The Kinks, Zombies, Animals, Yardbirds all that stuff, really cool they were so in love with American Blues that they did it themselves, that too me is a compliment to the blues and not a ripping off of, they all praised the great blues artists that inspired them. I like a lot of music from that time, have quite the collection, the thing that wows me most is the single great song so many were able to do. My other favorite of that time are the Allman Brothers Band, most notably Duane Allman, his anthologies are great….too me

                    • Sky

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                      Definitely wasn’t trying to put down the music from that time. Was just pointing out some evolved from fans of blues to their own thing and others didn’t. Evolve or de-evolve depending on who you talk to, of course. It’s very true, many were playing as an homage to their heroes. It’s only the big recording studios that created ‘covers’ for their nefarious reasons: to literally cover up the ‘black’ performers chart topper with their white version of it.

                      I’m admittled a surface scraper on Allman Brothers…dah, so much music, so little time! If it were a viable income, I’d make a great used CD store owner. I get so into the history of these bands.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: interesting you point out the evolve or not, I always found it interesting that many of the bands would pull from genre’s of music that had nothing in common with rock n roll. Many of the “classical” and european styles of music and Jazz to an extent that you just don’t see any more. It really was one of the more interesting times in music. The Doors and love where all over the place for their influences and I respect the shit out of that. I heard this really interesting interview on a podcast of David Lee Roth, and he talked about where they all met, a music theory class, and that in many of their songs there is a lot of music from the 20’s through the 50’s in there and breaks down the beat patterns. It was a different type of discussion about what really influences you and that guy is not as dumb as he sounds…..cust kayin’

                    • Sky

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                      Oh I’ve never thought of him as dumb in that respect; hard to believe Eddie would keep Roth around that long if that was what he was dumb about.

                      Very true on what influences are for different people. Music theory class is a great place to start for some but Johnny Rotten would be pissed hearing that. Music to me is a constant build up and burn down. Style/sound starts organic and grows until it becomes something regurgitated and rehashed to the point where we forget why we liked it in the first place. Listening to a band like Seether rehash Nirvana 20 years after the fact reminds me that somewhere another Kurt Cobain/Jerry Cantrell/Chris Cornell explosion is just bubbling under the surface and I can’t wait to find out what comes of it. That’s why I refer to the term ‘evolve’. It’s usually when fans say ‘that band changed’. Radiohead used to be a fairly meh pop rock band in my eyes. Then OK Computer hit and I was hooked. I’m sure plenty of people who liked ‘Creep’ probably stopped really being into them after that album. To me, they just got interesting.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: radiohead is a tough one for me. I liked the first 4 or 5 albums then they went too far out for me. Its like I get it but I don’t love it. OK was one of the all time great albums. Its like the mars volta. I get it but I don’t love it and people really fucking love it

                    • Sky

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                      I’m not saying I’m a huge fan of Kid A. I have it but I can’t listen to it all the way thru. It was too experimental. Not for me, for them. They were still figuring out how to make that a part of their sound. Was a bit premature, to be honest.

                      I’m glad Mars Volta went on hiatus for a bit. Omar was getting pretty droll there but I do love those guys. De-Loused In The Comatorium & Frances The Mute were really good albums. But their more recent stuff would never have a song like Televators:

                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4RjFr5Pr2U

                      Omar got too stuck in his composer head to come out and make the actual music after Mute.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: yeah Kid A has some really good songs and some really not, it’s always hard to follow up an album like OK, nothing will ever be as good.

                    The Mars Volta and At the Drive In were never my cup of tea, it doesn’t pass the hits me in the boo boo test. When people play with that much intensity I either feel it or I don’t, and with them I never did, and I also don’t like the way the guy sings, it gets really old fast, it’s like the rapper Guru from Gangstar, they made some decent music, but it better be on a mix tape, cause I can’t listen to him for too long. I don’t know if I got too old too fast or my sensibilities float somewhere else, but I just never got on board with the Mars Volta. I own the first album, listened to it a few times and sold it back.

                    Seriously outside of a few bands/songs, I usually listen to stuff that is anywhere from 60-25 years old. Like we have discussed before, I think we have, I look at it as a state of mind. What place will it take me and what mood will it put me in? I know many times I get stuck in the past, feeling the comfort of life before everything went to shit, using nostalgia as therapy to re tune my mind out of the insanity and back to the comfort of simple youthful splendor. I don’t know what that makes me, but I know the brain has cracked and the soul I once knew has gotten lost somewhere in there. The artistic side for sure is gone. I would love to get it back, but have never found the door…..Ok this is getting a little too therapy and less music….or is it?

                    • Sky

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                      Jack Full of Introspection…I can’t relate but I can see where you’re going with it. I’ve never been a ‘I remember that song because of this moment’ kind of guy. Don’t know why. Maybe I haven’t had those moments? I don’t think of the good times I had with my friends when I play music from that time. Artistic side comes from a strange place. It becomes harder to stay at that level of energy as you get older. Not just because of age but because of that passion and burn in your belly. Sometimes it’s hard to rekindle. And of course with age usually comes some sense of normalcy. Even ‘just ok’ can put the fire out. Bills are paid, have enough for a brew or two and you can kick back and watch TV without feeling like you should be doing something. Call it complacency, call it living the American Dream, call it downright laziness but it’s hard to go from have not to have and keep that desire torched.

                      Agree about OK; always tough to outdo a masterpiece, personally or globally. Mastodon will forever have to live up to Crack The Skye. It’s just hard to do.

                      Nah, Cedric gets annoying; I won’t fault you there. I will say that is partially MV’s problem, though: for as experimental as they are, they rarely tone it back enough to make you be able to enjoy it. Track after track of that kind of music – however amazing – can become daunting, unfriendly and oddly monotonous. I think they need to prove they can do simple sometimes as well (which is sometimes the hardest because it requires sincerity).

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                    @Sky: It’s not an actual, “oh I remember that moment” kinda thing. Actually becomes an unconscious thing because you wake up one day and realize it’s now your new reality. It’s an uncontrolled thing.. N

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: @Sky: It’s not an actual, “oh I remember that moment” kinda thing. Actually becomes an unconscious thing because you wake up one day and realize it’s now your new reality, but it’s your old reality, but isn’t. It’s an uncontrolled thing. I say bullshit to the getting older bullshit and I know who I was and what became from one day, I get the getting older thing, but not in my case. Hey bro whatever you have to tell yourself for why you can’t take out the trash or the piss poor job you do when you cut the lawn.

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Man, don’t know what to say back on this one.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: mission accomplished….or something like that, merely saying don’t use your age for laziness, I was also bailing out on the conversation by making it about you

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Thanks?

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: not to self: getting a little too comfortable with Sky

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Ha no. Sometimes humor over the Internet doesn’t carry well. I still love you like the hairs on my grandmas chin. Which is to say you’re a bit coarse and occasionally irritate my face but you’re still a part of what I like as a whole.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: you had me at hairs on my grandmas chin. I’m going to run away to Oregon someday….for the weekend.

                    Internet humor is tough, like texting, if you can’t see the facial expression then you lose a lot of the joke. I play much better in person

                    • Sky

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                      Haha, that’s why I use exclamation points/caps sometimes. Gets across my sarcasm or how silly I’m being fairly well; but in the end don’t always have the time to do that so I can get misread myself.

                      Yeah, come to Eugene. We’ll give you a patchoili bath and we can hit every brewery in town. You’ll be my DD.

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: Actually more of a “B” cup

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Ha!

                  • Jack Full of Hate says:
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                    @Sky: my nips are hard now

                    • Sky

                      Sky says:
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                      Ha!

  4. Aaron says:
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    Do you have a list for the entire draft? I am going to be in a 14 team auction draft, PPR and am curious to see the going rate on most players. Last few years we have done a 12 team snake and 12 team auction.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      Sorry, can’t do that. I’ll be posting some auction prices and draft strategy ideas next week, though.

      • Aaron says:
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        @Sky: WEAK! Oh well, anything will help. I’ll have to stay tuned….

        • Sky

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          Ha if my boss paid me to do it during work hours you’d get everything you ever wanted and more. With the QB flex position, the price of a QB doubled or sometimes tripled so i wouldn’t say it’s a good guide for you.

  5. sange_da_man says:
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    May have already posted in wrong spot but

    Better 1st 3 picks 12 team keeper

    Jamaal Charles, Larry Fitz McFadden/ Demarco Murray type back or
    Jamaal Charles Matt Forte Victor Cruz/Roddy White type WR

    Going Charles 1 since I figure AP is top pick and Foster and Martin are keepers….my keeper is Caepernick in rd. 8 of 16…

    • Sky

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      I’d go the second route; I don’t trust DMC or Murray this year. You should take a look at our rankings.

  6. Principle Blackman says:
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    QBs are way WAY overvalued in my league with a q/w/r/t flex, which has allowed me to stock up on impact RBs and WRs on the cheap while others overpaid for QBs.

    Would any of your top 20 QB/RB rankings change dramatically in PPRA leagues? Point Per Rush Attempt is my new favorite scoring category btw.

    • Sky

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      Love PPRA myself but it depends on how you score it. I have mine at .15 per attempt. Basically, my goal was to act like 20 carries = 6 catches for a .5 PPR league. Because most of my rankings are PPR, it’s hard to think it would change them too dramatically since it would affect them all in the carries department.

      It was fun watching the clamor for QBs. I know Weeden/Kolb/Tannehill aren’t the most exciting trio but I like what it allowed me to do elsewhere on my team for this size of league. I’ll take it.

      • Principle Blackman says:
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        @Sky: My league 1 PPR/.5 PPRA, so there is a smaller difference between receptions and carries. And I feel like it somewhat significantly inflates the value of RBs who get heavy workloads.

        • Sky

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          Yeah with that setup, 20 carries = 10 points alone. Might move a few of those guys who are 20 vs 12-15 up the ladder but those 12-15 guys usually throw in 5 to 6 receptions too. I’d say it inflates their value over other positions more then it changes their value amongst themselves. One guy that slips a bit with that would be Sproles. 80 PPR points is nice but he’d drag you down with maybe only 37 points from carries.

  7. Big Magoo

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    In regards to your musical conversation with Jack above, if you’re a big Tool fan (the band – get your mind out of the gutter), you have to see them live. I saw them in Philly during their “Lateralus” tour and they killed it.

    Like any really good band, they almost sound better performing live. Surprisingly theatrical too. It was during either Schism or Parabola (forget which) that a pair of dancers came on stage, fully nude and covered in glittery, silver paint, and proceeded to do a routine while attached to ropes and hanging well above the stage. Crazy and disturbing, as even from our seats (upper deck), you could see the dude’s junk flopping all over the place.

    Anyway, they sounded great. Highly recommended.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      The one time they came through Eugene, I found out an hour too late. You have no idea how heartbroken I was, I’ve heard they’re an amazing live act. Tool seriously hits on so many levels for me. I’m a music first guy. You have to get me with the music before I even listen to the words. Then if your words suck, I’ll still enjoy your work but I won’t have any connection to it. But Tool…damn, smart music, smart lyrics and they’re a full band of contributors…tour de force.

      That said, not surprised the had floppy dick on stage. Tool is all about messing with their audience. They go from granduer to fucking with you with in the span of minutes sometimes.

    • Sky

      Sky says:
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      And all this talk has me listening to Tool right now. Lost Keys (Blame Hoffman)/Rosetta Stoned in my earbuds.

      • Big Magoo

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        @Sky: Nice. I assume you’re familiar with A Perfect Circle too. “Thirteenth Step” is an album that I go back to every so often. Never disappoints.

        AIC has long been my favorite band. Check out their new album (The Devil Put Dinosaurs Here) if you get a chance. Their last one was a work in progress, but this one is closer to their classic stuff.

        • Sky

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          APC: own it all even their covers work (which admittedly was pretty hit/miss). Really loved the guitar work on Mer De Noms but the 13th step felt more complete. Still, their first one was a great musical nugget not enough people have heard. I got hooked once Billy Howerdel put that weird flange on 20 seconds into ‘The Hollow’. The guitars really told the story just as much as the vocals in all those songs. Great job of making the mood be the music. And before someone says I’m a MJK fanboy: Puscifer is ridiculous. Really hope APC puts out another album at some point. Billy’s solo stuff was just ok; needs someone else singing then him if he wants that to go on.

          Ha you, Jack and I sound like we grew up together. AIC and those melodies/harmonies…my God. Was telling Jack Cantrell doesn’t get the love he deserves. Man was a musical genius. He really took old blues and made it sound new. So hard to do but he did it. I need to give the new one a listen.

          A band that I think would’ve gotten more respect had their lead singer been respectable: STP and I really wish Army of Anyone had caught on (DeLeo Brothers, Richard Patrick of Filter, and session drummer extraordinairre Ray Luzier). Ok, gotta share it:

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtEdwwe_41c

          I always loved Dean DeLeo’s guitar tone. He got that crunchy didn’t have to be ear killing. Heard STP and Red Hot Chili Peppers in a concert in Seattle during the Californication days. John Frusciante killed my F’ing ears, couldn’t hear a damn thing he did because it was all spit and plink. STP opened for them and it was heavy but I heard every damn not Dean played. Very underrated guitarist.

          • Big Magoo

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            @Sky: Cantrell is respected, but not usually considered one of the all-time greats like I think he should be. Here’s their first single off of the new album (check out the solo at 2:40):

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KmYFY5oOvM

            Kick-ass riff in this song, with the usual awesome harmonizing throughout.

            I agree with you on Army of Anyone. I’m a fan of Patrick from his Filter stuff, and there doesn’t seem to be any holes there. Sometimes the timing/airplay just isn’t right. One of those what ifs.

            I’ve always been kind of lukewarm on STP. Some hits, some misses for me. I was at one of those radio station supershows a few years back (somewhere in the ’06-’08 range) in the DC area and STP closed the show. Unfortunately, they followed AIC, and people started leaving in droves. They sounded very mediocre. Huge letdown after AIC tore up the stage.

            • Sky

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              It’s funny how more and more prominent Cantrell’s vocals started becoming due to Staley’s continued deterioration. Wish that trend had curbed a bit with the new lead vocalist in tow. That’s the only ‘complaint’ I could ever have about new AIC stuff, though; this shit rocks.

              Sad to hear that about STP though 06-08 would be in the Velvet Revolver/Army of Anyone times. Basically any tour they were doing was probably all for money and hoping no one noticed they didn’t want to really be a band anymore. Basically, after Tiny Music, I grew less and less of a follower and more of and more of a side project fan. Ever heard Talk Show? It was kinda like Tiny Music but with a bit more pop to it. Anyways, I hate Weiland and all he stands for; I blame him for what STP never became in terms of being a rock staple.

              • Big Magoo

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                @Sky: I completely agree with you on the vocals. DuVall is really, really good and is underutilized. Layne was a once-in-a-generation type talent, and can’t be replaced, but it was time to move on. DuVall is a talented vocalist and a good fit for the band. I hope he’s gained Jerry’s trust by now and is featured more often going forward.

                2nd single off of the album: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmSeWqmlqYs

                Yeah, it’s a shame that I wasn’t able to see STP in their heyday. The performance that I mentioned was disjointed and lackluster, to say the least. A big problem was the set list. I don’t know who picked it (probably Weiland), but they played a bunch of their softer stuff (Lady Picture Show, Interstate Love Song, Sour Girl, etc. were played consecutively) which really deflated the crowd. Gotta send everyone off in a blaze of glory. The only one blazing was Weiland, I guess.

                • Sky

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                  Ugh, I like those songs a little in their own right but back to back to back…yeah, Weiland not having the energy to put on a good show there. Glad his ass is gone though I’m not really hip on the Chester Bennington guy. Decent singer in his own right but it’s such a flat tone. I don’t hear any emotion in his voice and I don’t see how it fits STP’s style at all. Guess I’d have to hear new material to get it because I can’t picture that voice over Big Empty.

                  Loving this track too. That guitar work, get’s me every time. Dirty, muddy, metal blues…gives me chills. But yeah, a little less ‘Tri-Pod’ vocal mixing would be nice, haha.

                  • Big Magoo

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                    @Sky: That’s funny because the self-titled (“tripod”) is my favorite album of theirs. I get what you’re saying though – usually the cleaner, the better. Studio effects can muddy things up too much, but in AIC’s case, they sometimes add atmospherics to the vocals to produce a particular “feel” to certain tracks.

                    When you get 11 minutes to burn, check this out, it’s pretty funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZjDJZQfThA

                    I haven’t checked out STP with their new lead. You’re not painting a pretty picture there.

                    • Sky

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                      Oh I loved the work on that album, don’t get me wrong. But it was clear they had to do so much just to make his voice be heard. Hard to sing well when you’re drunk, let alone when you’re out of it on heroin.

                      Watching and enjoying the vid. Ha! Donnie ‘Skeeter’ Dollarhide Jr…awesome!

                      Really sad; can tell Chester is doing his best but it still just feels devoid of any feeling. Oh well, just means I won’t be buying that album!

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                      Oh definitely. Layne was an amazing vocalist even as doped up as he was. Great tone, one of the first voices I ever tried mimicking as I tried to find my own voice. The amazing thing people usually don’t realize is how deep his voice is. Those harmonies are so prominent but he could go from bass to full growl within one motion. Great control.

                      Remembered watching that unplugged set wondering why Layne felt so ‘not there’. Was still a great performance but even then I felt something missing and I didn’t realize how hard he was into drugs by that point. Just glad that Cantrell didn’t follow the same fate.

                  • Big Magoo

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                    @Sky: Here’s an example of just how doped up he was at the time:

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2O62cRiLz0

                    It’s pretty incredible the calibre of performance they were able to produce, considering…

                    • Sky

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                      Oh totally, that entire unplugged session he just seemed out of it. Still never understood AIC vs Metallica, though. I never figured out what it was.

                  • Big Magoo

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                    @Sky: Re: AIC/Metallica – Inez wrote “Friends don’t let friends… get friends haircuts” on his bass as a friendly jab toward the Metallica guys. This was right after they all “sold out” and cut their hair short. They were also in the audience for this show. The bands were/are friendly and toured together briefly, but AIC had to pull out of some shows due to Layne’s addictions. The situation caused some friction at the time, but they managed to remain friends/fans of each other. If you watch the “twenty-three” documentary to the end, you’ll see Lars and bassist Robert Trujillo (who played on some of Cantrell’s solo material) make a cameo.

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                      Oh man I was at work so couldn’t see every second but listened. I’ll have to rewatch now…oh darn!

                      Ok good to know. Always thought there was some weird argument going on there that was deep rooted or something.

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                @Sky: Yeah, definitely check it out when you have an opportunity to watch it (it’s not the same if you’re just listening) to pick up on the little mannerisms and facial expressions. Kinney kills it as the douchey hipster, and Jerry is pretty good as the old country singer/bumpkin. Lars and Robert from Metallica, Ann and Nancy Wilson from Heart, and Duff McKagan all make cameos too.

                • Sky

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                  He totally does on the parts I saw. I was in and out. When they introduced a new character I’d switch over to take a look but as you know when you’re at work, there’s only so much attention you can give to it.

                  Pretty star studded cast, excited for a rewatch!

                  • Big Magoo

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                    @Sky: Tell Grey that the food coupons/vouchers aren’t cutting it anymore. You need a raise with cash money dammit so that this can be your job!

                    • Sky

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                      Haha, you tell him! The worst part is he doesn’t actually give me the coupons straight away. I have to pole dance for them. Nothing like pulling a ‘buy one get one free’ McDonald’s milk shake out of your thong…

                  • Big Magoo

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                    @Sky: I got you covered. Time to negotiate.

                    • Sky

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                      Sweet…upgrade to Carl’s Jr milkshakes incoming!

  8. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    I’ve been doing my homework and reviewing your rankings and saw the glossary contest page. Have you got any terms yet or any one’s in the running?

    • Sky

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      Haven’t at all. Might be better to return to the subject when August hits. I’m gonna be stealing a lot from the Baseball Side to get started. So much there applies here. I mean, Chronic Rosterbator is Chronic Rosterbator, you know?

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        @Sky: the receiver one only has me think about Torrey Smith and his ability to suck when he shouldn’t

        • Sky

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          Bashful truth: I don’t even remember when or where I posted those at this point. I have them stored in the soon to be glossary but I haven’t looked back much on that post now and have completely forgotten!

          • Jack Full of Hate says:
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            Baseball question@Sky: I think the link is in your top ten or top twenty

            • Sky

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              I’d have to go visit it but I think I’m gonna go live w/some from the baseball side and then have people give me info over time.

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Sky: oh and the quarterback one is the Disney complex or Disneyworld complex, you know, just because he gets on TV and says he’s going to Disney World/Land after leading his team to the the Super Bowl doesn’t mean he is worthy of being a great fantasy option

  9. Jack Full of Hate says:
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    I have a baseball question, I trade Davis and one of these pitchers ( Miller, Moore, Burnett, Samardjiza) for Kershaw and billy Butler.

    To know the context, I have a huge lead in HR’s and RBI’s and solid lead in runs, I need a better staff. For example in RBI’s, i have a guy that is twenty behind me, but the guy behind him is 90 behind me

    http://games.espn.go.com/flb/clubhouse?leagueId=26864&teamId=5&seasonId=2013

    • Sky

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      I still dont’t really like any of those trades. I’d rather keep the bat in that circumstance and I don’t have a problem with your staff at all.

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Sky: what about trading Davis for speed and a decent arm?

    • Big Magoo

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      @Jack Full of Hate: Your staff looks fine, but you don’t need that many starters. Maybe something like Davis, Miller, and Shark for Kershaw, Segura, and Moobs? It’d probably be rejected/countered, but it’s worth a shot.

      • Jack Full of Hate says:
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        @Big Magoo: good point

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